Nissan vs Toyota engines

Submitted: Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 18:59
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I am considering a tray back in either Nissan or Toyota BUT

I am having trouble coming to terms with previous Nissans troubled motor history and their apparent apathy and attitude to their customers ..in many cases but not all as I understand it.

Question 1. Is the Nissan current model 3.0 L common rail diesel a new motor to the world or just Australia? In other words are these tried and tested elsewhere in the world or are we here in Aus the guinea pigs. If elsewhere, have they started blowing up?

Q2. Toyota V8 turbo diesel 70 series.....new to the world or just new to us........??

If they are both brand new and untested everywhere then I am heading for Toyota for the obvious........If the Nissan is tested and proven elsewhere then I might, I repeat might consider them because of price

The facts as against people just brand knockers would be appreciated

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Reply By: Member - Axle - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 19:15

Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 19:15
Depending on what you want to do with the tray back, but there is no comparison between a 3.0L and a V8 any how!, IMHO.


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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 19:26

Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 19:26
The yota V8 is new to the world wide range.
No idea about the 3.0 litre Nissan.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 20:45

Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 20:45
The 3 ltr Nissan engine I think you'll find is a Renault motor that was used in commercials in Europe. I don't know if it was turboed there but I suspect if it was it was at low boost. Nissan own Renault so it was a convienient donk to use. Pity it wasn't as reliable as it should have been.
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 22:03

Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 22:03
3.0Di is a Nissan engine that has been around since 2000 in both Patrol and Navara. It is also supplied to Renault for use in commecials (EG: Master Van) under a technology sharing agreement facilitated by Renault being a Nissan shareholder. It appears in various guises with or without VGT and intercooler and the latest version is CRD not just DI. Early models (2000-2001) had engine issues.

It likes to rev and is a great highway engine, not such a good low down grunter IMHO

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Follow Up By: Redback - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 08:48

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 08:48
These are the engines in the Master Van

5 dCi engine is available in the Master with three power outputs: 100hp, 120hp and 150hp. The mid-range 120hp engine has gained 10Nm in maximum torque over the previous version and a particulate filter appears on the dCi 150 engine.

All three 2.5 dCi powerplants are available with a six-speed manual gearbox or a semi-automatic Quickshift6 set-up.



2.5L dCi Renault engines not the 30l Nissan engine.

The Renault 3.0L is a V6 and not available here only in the Maxima in the US.

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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 08:57

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 08:57
Is this the same engine that is in the Navara?

3.0Di was used in previous Renault Commercial models, update was news to me, thanks.

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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 13:14

Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 13:14
Ian, "Nissan own Renault" you sure you got the ownership right? Think you may find it's the other way around and with Volvo truck division owning Nissan UD diesel division.
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Reply By: Boobook2 - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 22:09

Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 22:09
FWIW I went through similar thoughts a few months ago. As others have said the Toyota is new everywhere, time will tell but the 70 series must be understressed when the same block pushes out 215kw ( in the UK version)

The Nissan 3.0 CRD situation is very very strange. It's history is not spotless and from what I can determine it is an orphan in Australia. The main markets for the Nissan Patrol are Australia ( the biggest market), South Africa, the UK and Middle East. Petrol is almost free in the ME so there is no diesel version there. Elsewhere Nissan continue to sell the old ( in Australian terms) direct injection version. ( the Navara is 2.5l in Europe)

The euro 4 emission requirement on FWD's seems to be fairly unique to Australia ( it does not apply to the Patrol in the UK) so as far as I can find, the only CRD version of the 3.0 is right here. That adds up to production of about 300 units per month worldwide. Assuming there is a new Patrol in Jan 2009 that is a total of about 300 x 21 months ( from April 2007) = 6300 units ever made!! Sounds scary to me.

With no additional power, or torque over the "old" Direct injection engine it looks like a hack job to keep sales alive in Australia till the new Patrol arrives. If it was so good why wouldn't Nissan sell it everywhere? Good luck getting parts in 7 years.

references
www.nissan.co.uk
www.nissan.co.za
www.nissan-me.com

The other interesting thing is that diff locks are standard in the UK.

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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 22:19

Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 22:19
Oops, the 300 units per month figure was based on the Patrol sales when I did the figures as the C/C was still 4.2l. Not sure of the c/c sales figures but l guess that will add say 200 units per month. So the figures are probably more like
500 / mth x 21 months = 10500 units by Jan 09.


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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 00:44

Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 00:44
"( the Navara is 2.5l in Europe)"

isnt it 2.5 litre here also?
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 11:16

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 11:16
I think you have to rate the quality equal going forward with both companies although my heart will always pump Toyota because of it's long history of reliability for me personally. Secondly you can't compare the engines you mention as they are worlds apart, the V8 is a true tourer with huge towing capabilities whilst the Nissan 2.5 Litre engine, Navara D40 for example along with the Hilux equivalent are not in that league, although both are fine for towing reasonable loads.
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Reply By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 15:35

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 15:35
Here we go ,,,, World War 3 has just started,,

mine's better than your's Syndrome !

Lets face it ,, they all are good if they are going.

All give problems, just some more than others..

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Follow Up By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 15:41

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 15:41
Bucky,

Actually all I see so far is some reasonably balanced views, not WW3.

You said that 'All give problems, just some more than others..'. Well yes, that was the point of the original question, WHICH ones more than others.

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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 04:54

Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 04:54
Sorry Guy's
I will try to redeem myself a little

Look at it all this way..!
It's still neck and neck,

Toyota made almost unbreakable 4x4's, but to get this ride comfort was sacrificed.
When Nissan hit the market with their Patrol, it was as good if not better, and heaps cheaper.
Lately I have seen Nissan go backwards with their choice to stay with these hand-grenade (3.0 TD) motors in Patrols. Sure they are zippy, but lack in longevity.
Even though I have one in my Navara, personally I would have a 4.2 TD Patrol or a Cruiser, 1996-2000 models, as I deem them to be the last of the truly tough 4x4's,,,IMHO after that they went soft.
Why not go for the bigger V8 motor 4x4's that give better economy than the 6's..I suppose Longevity here is another question ( at the moment )
Gotta look at how long you want to keep the vehicle, and its track record before you finally decide.

Cheers All Bucky

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Reply By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 16:31

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 16:31
Oh what a feeling.... NISSAN..!
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Reply By: Kumunara (NT) - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 19:22

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 19:22
Bungarra

The 3.0 ltr Nissan motor is the same motor that has been in the Nissan since 2000 with a modification to common rail diesel.

The Toyota is a new motor. It has a lot more grunt than the Nissan.

I don't purchase a vehicle just for the motor. I look at the whole package. I suggest that you do the same.

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Reply By: cbcqoz - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 21:46

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 21:46
Be very careful with the Toyota v8 diesel Out of 6 that I know of 5 have been dusted badly with one being completely shot in just a few thousand Ks
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 21:48

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 21:48
So the story goes!!!
How about some details?
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 20:28

Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 20:28
I remember hearing similar stories when the new 3.0did yota mota came out....I emphisize the 'stories' becasue I haven't heard anything since.

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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 00:49

Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 00:49
"been dusted badly"

WTF does that mean?
Sorry to say it sounds like a comment by someone who has ZERO mechanical knowledge.
If it means that the door seals leak I apologize of course!
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Reply By: cbcqoz - Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 20:36

Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 20:36
These are not just stories I know for a fact they are correct one has only been on qravel for 500 out of 14000 Ks
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 21:37

Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 21:37
So what does driving on gravel do to a diesel engine???

Quite a number of people on here have the new 76, 78 or 79 series with the V8 and many have done more than 10 or 15 thousand Km's without a problem.
So tell us what happened, did they throw a rod or what?
Otherwise as I said sounds like a story to me.
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 22:28

Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 22:28
Yep,

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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 00:52

Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 00:52
"cbcqoz" I suspect is a patrol owner who is seeking to increase the appeal of his "investment" by talking rubbish.
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