modifications for new van

Submitted: Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 23:27
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We are in the process of having a 21'6 off road caravan built. Having owned only one caravan previously we are seeking input those "experienced" caravaners out there.
We are in the position of being able to make some modifications to our van while it is being built which will be cheaper than getting it done later. Any suggestions whatsoever will be welcome.
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Reply By: AndrewX - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 23:33

Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 23:33
Marilyn maybe if you can give an idea of the design of the van it would help people with mod ideas. I also suggest you go to as many van sale yards and look at what other vans have. What make are you getting?
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Reply By: Member - Marilyn B (WA) - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 23:46

Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 23:46
It is a Trailcraft. We have had a look around but are sure we will miss a few things.
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Follow Up By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 13:14

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 13:14
Hi Marilyn

Make sure you get a gas / electric hot water system combo,
should be standard on late model vans, use the electric when at
caravan parks, and the gas when your in the bush ect.

Cheers
Daza.
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Reply By: Member No 1- Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 06:38

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 06:38
what about an outside slide out gas burner (or even kitchen) for those beautiful days when its too good to be cooking inside...

other benefits:
van is fresher
less cleaning
less fire risk
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Follow Up By: RovingOz (QLD) - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 08:29

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 08:29
...second that.

We also put a gas ring on the back bumper to hold our "firetin" (made from 9kg gas bottle). Keeps the mess on the outside.

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Follow Up By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 09:24

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 09:24
I noticed a member on this site had a van with a full length bench along the back wide enough to hold a baby Q webber BBQ to which he had a gas line already plumbed in the van so he just used the gas cylinders housed at the front of the van. It was only about 400 wide. The bench came off the chassis. The gas fitted where quick release type. Cannot remember if there was a tap plumbed also to the rear ..... think there was.

He also used it as a work bench if and when required.

Another van I have seen had a rail fitted to the opposite side you enter your van where a tarp if fixed along with tarp or shade cloth sides. Both are taken off and stored in van out of the way. Basically they managed to have an area 30 x 20 which they had tables, chairs and kitchen, TV, fridge set up, lights etc etc. The van was just a bed really. Mind you the kitchen cooking was mostly done in camp ovens and this was well set up as well.

Had a couple of beers with them I was told they only set this up when they stay in one place of a month or more. Which from their intended plans would only be 3 max 4 times a year. Set up time was a couple of days not rushing and well worth the effort.

Great set up. He also had a home brew kit in action and it tasted DAMN fine indeed.

Brian
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Reply By: Trevor R (QLD) - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 09:27

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 09:27
Hi Marilyn,

I lifted the bed to 500mm off the floor (instead of the usual 300mm) and you will be surprised at how much extra stuff can fit under the bed, also makes it easier to get in and out of bed.

I would also like a tap on the A-Frame to wash hands once I have hooked up and ready to jump in the car.

Hope this helps.
Trevor.
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Reply By: Member Boroma 604 - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 09:40

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 09:40
Gooday,
Instead of built in BBQ (the smoke & fat splatter will make one hell of a mess of your walls), have a Gas Bayonet fitted ,we have ours at the rear so if rainy can cook under awning, when dry just move away outside, make sure it is at sensible height so you don't have to get on knees to connect.
Inside make sure any power points are double, costs only a few $ extra, and put plenty,
Place a couple of power points behind dinette for laptop etc to save falling over leads. Also place at least 2 single power points somewhere convenient for phone, camera etc chargers as you can only get one of the bulky things in a Dble point. If it is a Hardtop and you have a shelf along wall under cupboards return that shelf at the end of the cupboards to place your single points to charge phones etc, out of way & convenient.

Go for the Sovereign Deep Bowl sink. Put shelves midway in most top cupboards, as so much wasted space above small items. leave 1-2 without shelf for tall items.
Have deep drawers where possible for storage, much easier than crawling on hands & knees to find things at back of cupboard.
Place a tap on rear bumper for washing hands etc, much better than kneeling down to one usually on drawbar.
If you have a choice go for through (tunnel) Boot, have had both & this is so good compared to front type, can organise everything in plastic boxes and access from either side as well as put objects up to 7 f t + in there. You lose a bit of space under bed but you have to crawl in there to get it as it will work to the far end anyway.
These are a few of the things we have found after Custom building 2 in last 4 years.
Hope this helps, without knowing floor plan hard to suggest any more.
Also suggest you install a Min 500 watt inverter if U intend to Bush camp at all, for charging electronic gadgets, I have one point inside above shelf and also fitted one outside at rear and an extra 240 Volt point outside at rear as well as a 12Volt point beside them, for a light for a BBq or running a power tool in case of need. Found them all very useful. They usually place one 240V point outside under awning but if we are using that for Frypan & Roast or such other is very useful. After all hard to put these things in later on. Happy to answer queries, spacemail address in profile.
Cheers,
boroma604
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Reply By: Dunco (NSW) - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 09:41

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 09:41
Would love an outside table and BBQ that were both held inside the van until I wanted to use them...fold out or slide out.

Something you can do yourself when you get your van....I have put 40mm plastic plumbing pipes under my van (with zip ties) ..two each side, and I slide my sullage pipe in one side and my water hose in the other. Saves getting all that dirty water in your caravan boot. And saves rolling them up...very civilised :)



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Follow Up By: PradOz - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 22:17

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 22:17
love the idea of the hose storage.

how long are your pipes and hoses? just wondering how you store it all in 2 but that also depends on length of van.

how do you stop them sliding out as you bounce along the highway?

luv the idea and will be onto mine this weekend - as soon as i get your reply that is:)

cheers...
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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 23:39

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 23:39
PradOz,

I have a 16.52.1 Jayco Freedom which is about 16' long in the van itself.... I bought a couple of lengths of 40mm white PVC pipe for each side of the van. I attached them to the rails of the van via zip ties and my water hose and sullage hose fit in them perfectly.

The water hose wont fall out as I connect the two ends at the front with one of the hose connectors and the sullage hose is tied in with a dog collar I got from Coles. All up under $100 and NO MORE sullage or leftover water floating about my boot. Send me your email and I will endeavour to send you some photos

Dunco
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Reply By: PeterInSA - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 15:39

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 15:39
Marilyn,
Your caravan specs also depend on how long you are going to camp out in the bush for, my suggestions are:

Definitely Electric/Gas Hot Water, Lights on both sides of the van eg when topping up with water,or for a sense of security, 3 water tanks 1 one for drinking we have this connected to a hand pump. Have 2 water filler pipes to the outside of van.

A back bumper that can take 2 spare wheels and a centre tow connection for a bike rack or other eg CB Aerial/Phone aerial. If you wish to carry a Sat Dish, a place to mount the Pole eg on the A frame where the jockey wheel is originally positioned you then need another jockey wheel position eg near the Van/Tug coupling. Solar and an adequate Inverter.

Have the wall strengthened if you are going to mount a TV/Computer monitor on the wall.

A washing machine inbuilt as least 2.2Kg

A large 2 door frig 250Lt +

An island double bed or singles ease of make up.

In the bush in some situations the back of you van could be 100mm off the round and the front 600mm an additional pull out step is great even then we sometimes need a step as well.

Watch the weight you will probably need a 100 series cruiser or a Patrol to pull the rig.

Anderson plug and cable to connect the caravan battery to the tow vehicle to charge batteries if necessary.

Deep Cycle batteries 100ah+ x 2

Tyres/wheel pattern same a tow vehicle.

I am wary of independent suspension for off road situations, gives the smoothest ride but I believe not as strong as other alternatives.

At least a 6 inch gal chassis underneath.

Peter
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Reply By: hazo - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 17:09

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 17:09
Marilyn
We have just taken delivery of same van!
I had extra solar panels fitted ( 3 in total) , compressor fridge (Waeco HDC 190)
D/R 640 comes with dual batteries as standard!
Washing machine (Dometic), external shower
I wanted the gas bayonet point for our Webber baby Q, but they quoted me a ridiculous price! so will get it done now I've got the van.
Van has heaps of twin p/points as standard! also had it wired up for my inverter and sat tv system, no Winegard as we only use sat tv!
I also wanted a chequer plate box on front to house my Honda generator! but again they were not interested! so quoted me a ridiculous price!
Ask for multi factory visits whist van is being manufactured to confirm any changes etc.
Any further info required just message me.
Brian
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Reply By: Scrubcat - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 20:17

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 20:17
I reckon that a comfortable bed is priority #1 and I also reckon in the majority of vans the bed is too short. Don`t just measure the bed, have a lie on it using a pillow the same as you will use when away , you will probably find that your head is half a pillow width ( 8"+ ) from the bed head and your feet are hanging over the end, ( unless you are a jockey ) LOL. I am about 5`9" and this was a problem with my van, and others I looked at, I couldn`t lengthen the bed because of cupboards and the seating. I ended up having a special pillow made, same length but cylindrical or round like a rolled up blanket etc. now my head is only a couple of inches from the top and my feet stay warm also.
Sorry to be long winded about the bed but to me it would be very important.
Good Luck.
Scrubcat.
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Reply By: Member - Charlie M (SA) - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 21:44

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 21:44
Second power point on outside of van outside of awning or annex
cheers
Charlie
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Reply By: Motherhen - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 23:12

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 23:12
Hi Marilyn

Definitely a 190 litre compressor fridge (separate door for freezer).

Solar panels and 12 volt throughout. 12 volt sockets to suit your 12 v appliances in the van, and a couple of 240 v points for when accessing mains power.

A small pure sine wave inverter for charging batteries, running small tools and appliances, and which would be suitable for running a laptop.

An exterior shower in addition to internal would be nice.

A bed in a size and layout that suits you.

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Reply By: Member - Ian W (NSW) - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 23:20

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 23:20
Just a simple thing!

Have the manufacturer fit Sailtrack the full length of the van on the side opposite the door. At a later time after having road tested your van for a few summer months you can have a piece of shadeclothe or similar made up to mount. This then allows you have shade on the side opposite your awning and will keep your van much cooler in the hot weather. In addition many vans have the fridge mounted opposite the door/awning side, the shade will reduce the gas/electricity consumption.


Ian
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Reply By: Faulic_McVitte - Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 08:11

Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 08:11
got heaps of great ideas and info from Caravan Forum Saved making some costly mistakes. Look for a post Roadstar Update which has heaps of great ideas and things to do. Check out the post for external NextG aerials. Makes caravanning so much more enjoyable with all the proper goodies setup correctly.
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Reply By: Member - Marilyn B (WA) - Sunday, Nov 11, 2007 at 22:49

Sunday, Nov 11, 2007 at 22:49
Some really great ideas, thank you all so much. Have taken them all on board. How exciting.
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