Modified sine wave interter uses

Submitted: Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 18:31
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I have a 1kW modified sine wave inverter (12 -> 240V). Can it be used safely on electronics - laptops, battery chargers (I know that laptops and battery chargers don't require an inverter as you can buy ciggie lighter chargers but those are the 2 easiest examples I can think of) and the like?
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Reply By: obee - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 18:37

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 18:37
laptop and battery chargers ok. Motor driven devices like fridges tend to want a full sine wave inverter.

Owen
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 21:12

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 21:12
Hi Ben

You can expect to run it on almost every electronic device you have including your laptop.

Of the many devices I have tested not one has failed however some are not quite as efficent like a microwave oven I had rattled a bit due to the square waves and did not put out quite as much power as expected.

Robin Miller
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Follow Up By: Member - Mainey (wa) - Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 11:01

Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 11:01
Robin, yes as you say, " not one has failed however some are not quite as efficient "
I'm presently running this laptop on a lousy 32.2 kbps internet connection, yes to some degree it works, but it's not 'efficient' as it won't load pictures and sometimes will time out while loading EO pages with large pictures, it works much faster (more efficient) on 'normal' dial-up @ 52kbps (last week) and even better on broad band.

Pure sine wave is far more "efficient" than the less expensive 'modified' or 'square' wave inverters etc. but the cheapies will work, just not as efficiently, as pure sine wave inverters, some cheapies may damage the attached item, TV or Drill or what-ever item is attached, it's a lottery, if you loose then it's also a major problem.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 11:44

Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 11:44
Hi Mainey

Not sure about your reference to laptop speeds in relation to Inverters.

I would not put issues with square wave inverters as significant as your post , some square wave inverters are more efficent driving some appliances including some motors but generally there is a harmonic loss in transformer based things.

It is a lottery and with about the same odds , and maybe our lab has never found a dud one and also never won a lottery.

Robin Miller
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Reply By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 22:28

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 22:28
Hi Ben

Yes it can be used on most products but also depends on the quality of the unit. I sell to tradesmen who charge cordless drill batteries and some of the cheap and nasty inverters burn out the chargers. If the charger gets very hot then the inverters modified wave is poor.

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Derek.

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Follow Up By: Crackles - Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 09:30

Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 09:30
Have found the same problem too Derek with burning out chargers. For us it's been the more fancy fully automatic charge/discharge units for the cordless drills. Does not appear to be any way of telling by the specifications if a charger will last on a modified wave inverter other than to giving it a go.
Cheers Craig............
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Reply By: sparkythespacechimp - Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 11:15

Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 11:15
Hi Ben, I bought one myself, to run the kids Playstation2 whilst travelling.
Found a couple of things out:
It won't run a playstation 2, they need true sine wave.
It won't run/charge my Apple powerbook laptop.
But it will power Playstation 1. (so its not totally useless).
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Reply By: disco1942 - Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 14:04

Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 14:04
You only mentioned small items that would rum from an inverter with a capacity of 300W or less. I take it you are intending to run small items.

It pays to tailor your inverter to the largest item you will be running. The efficiency of an inverter is calculated running at or near maximum output. The "inefficient percentage" component is the power that it takes to run the inverter circuitry - this power does not reduce much as you reduce the load. To put it another way - the bigger the inverter, the more power it takes to run it.

If you can get away with a 250W inverter you will only be wasting 25% of your precious battery power than you would waste by using that 1kW one. If you are only wishing to run small items you will be far better getting a smaller sine wave inverter.

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