soils aint soils

Submitted: Monday, Nov 12, 2007 at 16:32
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swmbo parks her blck beauty outsdie in the elements when at work. Next door is Polyaire, a a duct work component manufacturer, and supplier to my Co.

Some time back I noticed all these little white dots over the paintwork. Took for ages to work out what it was.

It was ployurethane over spray. Approached Polyaire and EPA....Ployaire as exepected kept their mouth shut. Epa investigated and have also kept their mouth shut.

Appart from litigation and dragging both to court My wife has given up as have her co workers (and Boss who has more $$$ than I, and who now parks his new 4wd inside his workshops while every one elses are outside)

Anyhow wife washed her car last week and I saw paint for a change, and inspected closer. Got some maguires paint cleaner out rubbed onto bonnet to test if I could get rid of polyurethane...it did put a dent in it but wasnt brilliant.

Checked maguirs site and put in badly neglegted painted car and it came nack with something called Quick Clay....google revealed it is a polymer based synthetic clay........

car has a bottom soother than a baby's bum....very few white spots left but i reckon a last rub next weekend and it will all be gone....i was impressed and i neeed these sunnies to even look at it now...its like some one has turned the lights on ...bloody hell does it gleam!
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Reply By: Member No 1- Monday, Nov 12, 2007 at 16:48

Monday, Nov 12, 2007 at 16:48
we need to be able to edit these.

spelling mistakes:substitute
black for blck
a for a a
apart for appart
bonnet for bottom
need for neeed
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Reply By: Member - Lionel A (WA) - Monday, Nov 12, 2007 at 17:06

Monday, Nov 12, 2007 at 17:06
No 1...what your really saying is "buy a white car".hehehehehe...
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:40

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:40
she aint getting black again!!!
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Reply By: 96 GXL 80 series - Monday, Nov 12, 2007 at 17:18

Monday, Nov 12, 2007 at 17:18
What he really means is sell the cars and use the Boss's so he can park inside.
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:40

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:40
that too!
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Reply By: Heefers - Monday, Nov 12, 2007 at 18:10

Monday, Nov 12, 2007 at 18:10
Used to use that clay at the Panel shop I worked at to remove overspray, vaguely remember it coming with a warning from the health Nazis in California to the effect that prolonged use may induce testicular cancer or something of the sort. Definitely good gear though.
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Follow Up By: Member -Signman - Monday, Nov 12, 2007 at 18:47

Monday, Nov 12, 2007 at 18:47
Is it abrasive?? Like say a No1 or 2 cutting compound??
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:39

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:39
it has very fine abrasives mixed into the putty.

supposed to only take off the surface gunk .....ie it will not take out scratches or other imperfections below the surface...

they say to put a piece of plastic over your hand after using and if it still feels rough keep on rubbing as you havent done it good enough....the plastic enhances you ability to feel the dirty surface.....
The Trade name is "Detailing Clay"

3m call theirs Perfect -It 111 Cleaner Clay (nick name - blue Clay)
which I got from Crash Supplies at Stepney Adelaide.....Used my BIL's name as he has crash repair business

Magurs Qick Caly was cheaper and although it came with a spray bottle of lubricant (sahmpoo and water) the bar of clay is smaller (1/2 the size) than the 3m one which doesnt have the lubricant.

No health warnings on the 3m container which is made in the states, other than: Avoid Eye conatct, do not eat and wash hands after use.
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Monday, Nov 12, 2007 at 19:29

Monday, Nov 12, 2007 at 19:29
Could it be Fullers Earth ?
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Follow Up By: Member - Vince B (NSW) - Monday, Nov 12, 2007 at 21:01

Monday, Nov 12, 2007 at 21:01
Hi Signman.
The overspray clay is not abrasive.It isn't a cutting compound.
I use it every day at work to remove overspray.
A great product & I still have my nuts!!!.
Regards.
Vince
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:45

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:45
No i dont think its fullers earth.....for reasons as above ..it is genearally known as Detailing Clay, but each maker gives it their own name
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Reply By: Stephen M (NSW) - Monday, Nov 12, 2007 at 20:35

Monday, Nov 12, 2007 at 20:35
Hi there No1, after all your hard work I would now be making her put a car cover over it when parked at work, or make her clean it off next time and she will soon learn to put the cover on. My sister has had two cars totally stuffed as she works next to a concrete plant. The paint on on her current vehicle (Suzuki) is on its way as well 03 model. I told her not to bother whinging to me if she hasn't learnt with the first two cars and continues to not cover her current vehicle. Guess where her boss parks his vehicle ??? Glad to hear that you got it all off bar a few white spots. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:43

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:43
I was amazed.....

but looking forward to doing the roof, Phew!!....or I could leave that as is cos little short asses like me cant see up there anyway
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Reply By: Member - bushfix - Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:57

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:57
Meguirs make great products I reckon.

Try their Carnauba Wax too, smells delicious and could help protect the car, but not as good as a good cover.
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 08:17

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 08:17
yes..i have done that..
it was 4 steps
Qick Clay
Paint cleaner
Polish
Wax

The suface is so slippppppereeee the dust just falls off....well not quite but you can see it disperse when you blow on the bonnet
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 10:27

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 10:27
Did a Google search;

What is Detailing Clay?

In 1990, Tadao Kadate of Japan invented clay resin. It was the first product to safely, instantly and cheaply remove airborne contaminants from delicate automotive paint. It was an instant success and proclaimed a "miracle product". To this day, Detailing Clay is the only product that takes off stubborn over spray with a single, swipe of the hand.

Clay bars are used in the detailing, automotive reconditioning and auto body shop professions to remove paint over spray, tree sap and industrial fallout from the cars painted surfaces. It also works on glass, plastics and many metals.

Automotive clay is a pliable, petroleum resin product (polybutene), containing mild abrasives. These abrasives are extremely small and mixed in with a powdered synthetic detergent. To this mixture abrasives are also added, such as, silica sand, calcium carbonate, alumina, ceramics and also Green Carborundum.

Many claim that clay bars are not abrasive but that is incorrect. They are all abrasive to a degree, some add more abrasives than others and these are usually identified as being “hot” bars. I actually removed the clear from a cars lower panel once using a “hot” bar, so be cautious!

Does the clay bar actually remove contaminates or does it just shave off the top, making the specks flush with the paint? The answer is yes and no. It depends on the contaminate. The clay bar may not totally remove rail dust, but it will shave off the protruding particles. It will, however, easily remove tree sap or paint over spray.

Working with clay is simple. There is little to no risk of you doing any damage to your vehicle using a clay bar.

Tools:


4oz or 8oz clay bar
Clay Lubricant or shampoo/water mixture
Several towels (preferably microfiber)
Plastic sandwich bag

The lubricant is the “slip” solution you need to properly work the clay bar. Without some sort of slip agent, the clay will stick to the car's surface instead of sliding over it. My slip mixture is about 30oz of water with a few drops of car shampoo. Many manufacturers offer clay "lubricants" to be used in conjunction with their clay bars which always provide the proper lubrication.

The sandwich bag is used to increase the sensitivity of your touch, as you inspect the surface before and after the claying process. Your paint may feel very slick to your naked fingers, but with a plastic bag over your hand, it's a different story!

The plastic enhances your sense of touch. Suddenly that glossy, smooth paint feels coarse and is covered with specks. After the clay, you will feel nothing but glass-smooth paint.

Application:

Thoroughly wash and dry your vehicle. (To save time, many professionals clay the paint after the final rinse, while it's still wet).

Cut your clay bar into halves or thirds, so if you accidentally drop the bar (it will happen) you'll only lose a small portion. If a clay bar is dropped on the ground, it is contaminated and must be thrown away.

Always work on the vehicle in the shade, and out of the wind to save on lubricant. Spray the lubricant over a 2' x 2' area. Tuck the clay bar tucked into the palm of your hand and glide it across the lubricant.

I prefer back and forth movements to keep track of finished areas. If you are claying the entire vehicle, start from the top and work your way down to the lower sections. Use one side of the clay until it stops picking up the contaminants, and then turn it over to the fresh side.

When the second side is full of contaminants, you can knead the clay to produce two fresh surfaces. The average clay bar should clean 5 to 10 cars, depending on the amount of contamination.

Continue around the car until all painted surfaces have been clayed. You can also clay your glass, chrome, metal pieces and coated wheels. Your car should now be smooth and ready to be polished and waxed.

Common Questions:

Will claying remove my wax?

Yes, it will. Since a clay bar contains cleaning properties/abrasives and it will remove waxes, including sealants.

My clay seems to smear on the car. What am I doing wrong?

Most likely you need to use more lubrication. If not properly lubricated, clay will stick to the surface, leaving residue. The clay may have also picked up a greasy substance, which it is smearing across the surface.

Can I clay too much? Will it damage the paint?

Not if you use clays that are "non-abrasive". Do not use a clay that contains abrasives you can feel. These clays will scratch the surface.

I have been asked many times if the clay at the local hobby store will work the same. The answer is “No, it will not”. Those types of clay, even the poly clays, will crumble under pressure and contain no cleaning properties
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 11:14

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 11:14
I knew all of that...had it printed out last week afetr visiting the maguirs site...as i wanted to know what their stuff Quick Clay was.
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