Camp fires extinguishing

Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 08:38
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G'day,

This topic gets done over regularly I know but it is that time of the year again, and this is always important.

Something that sticks in my head from my last trip was when we were at the Lambert Centre. Those of you who have been there know that there is lots of room for people to set up in seclusion, and that the ground is mostly dirt amongst the pockets of scrub.

Scattered throughout the area, I saw mounds of dirt, most at least a foot high. I assume these were campfire locations. My concern is that not only does this look bad but it may not actually be the safest way to leave a campfire.

A good fire is part and parcel of a good camp, but so is safety and being "firewise" so the proper extinguishment of a camp fire should not be taken lightly and especially sacrificed in favour of "getting away in good time."

As we know, water in the desert is precious and therefore must be managed carefully. But fires can be too, and need not take to much water to help extiguish them. Fire can and should also be managed and planned. If I aim to get away reasonably early the next morning then I consider, do I need a fire in the morning? Can I just let the night one burn out and I will use an alternate method to boil the billy or shall I just rekindle a little fire? The thinner the fuel, the less cooling effort required, then as you are breaking camp, the coals and ash can be cooling to a level where they either require no further cooling to be safe, or only a small splash/spray of water or a visit from the male campers.

A fireplace left to look like no fireplace has been there should be cool enough for people to walk on. Kids may jump out of the car and onto a "mound" to play, and get burnt in the process as a tremendous amount of heat may have built up inside it.

Anyway, many schools of thought and different environments but the point of the post is simply one of reminding people to manage their fires, always keeping in mind what will be needed when breaking camp. Leaving an obvious fireplace so that others may use the same location is not necessarily a good idea IMHO. Personal safety (especially kids) and bushfire risk is much more important.

cheers.




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Reply By: 3.0turbob - Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 09:33

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 09:33
"extinguishment" ? - I like that

Always a "hot" topic of discussion.
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 11:13

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 11:13
You make some good points bushfix, and it is a good topic to revisit periodically. There are new people reading this stuff every day. Not all of them are experienced campers some may not have even thought about this at all.

The point I would like to pick up on is that water is precious in the desert. You are very right and most people carry enough for the basics but if anything goes wrong then a lot of people will be in trouble.

Can I suggest that a properly managed fire will not require the use of water to extinguish. The first step towards this is keep the fire to a reasonable size. Firewood is also precious, especially at the popular spots. If you are putting water on it to put it out then you are wasting both water and wood. Most of the timber found in desert areas is very dry and will burn away to virtually nothing. Timing this to coincide with your departure is not all that difficult and removes the need for a big mound of dirt.

How many times have we all seen the kids adding fuel to a fire while dad is hooking up the camper or tying down the roof rack. On the morning you are leaving stop adding fuel to the fire as soon as you finish cooking, Spread the fire out and let it cool naturally while you are breaking camp. Yes there will probably be some hot spots left when it is time to climb into the car and drive off, any heavy ones can be pushed into the ground and the light stuff can be covered with a thin layer of dirt/sand or simply trampled into the ground. The main thing this does is stop it blowing around or rekindling in the breeze.

As you have suggested bushfix if there is anything left after all this your sons will love to play fireman to finish off the blacking out.

Well done mate keep us all thinking about how we care for the areas we so love to visit.

Duncs
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Follow Up By: Member - bushfix - Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:04

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:04
Keep the fire to a reasonable size - yes indeed. this of course also means selecting applicable size timber to add to the fire.

Firewood is also precious - yep, i never rely on getting some near camp, always pick up my own during the day and put it on the drawbar. Too much of an impact on habitat if people are ripping up everything they can and think may possibly get to ignite...another topic....

No water? - yes don't usually need to spray any water on the wood but usually find that although I have broken up the embers and ash, the sand/soil below has retained the heat very well so need to address that.

cheers Duncs.
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Reply By: Smudger - Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 11:13

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 11:13
G'day Bushfix,
Good post, no-one likes to be told how to suck eggs, but a lot of people I speak out there are first timers, or have virtually no experience with rough camping.
Wherever possible I dig a small shallow hole to light my fires in, raking the llitter to one side and scraping the sand around the edges to form a wall. Mostly, depending on the situation and conditions, we leave the embers to burn out overnight. Usually a few twigs will kick start a small breakfast fire, which as you said is easily extinguished ..save the washing up water for this. Embers must be put out, or kids will get burnt. Drag the sand back over the fire hole and then rake the original litter over that, and you'll leave the place looking pristine.
Same goes for toilet pits, and the paper should be burnt in the hole before filling it in. Last trip north the amount of toilet paper blowing around the freebies was quite off-putting.
I'm sure that it's inexperience, because most people we meet out there love and respect the bush, but not everyone has had the same education in bushcraft.
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Follow Up By: Member - bushfix - Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:06

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:06
yes the decorations blowing about give me the first class poops too. embers indeed, but people also underestimate how well ash retains heat I believe.

good on you Smudger.
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 14:30

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 14:30
Depends
Usually by morning the fire has burnt out leaving embers.
I try not to re ignitee it and i fI do I keep it small. When finished spread the ash to cool them down. They completly die quickly like this but will last days if covered with sand
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 15:10

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 15:10
Like you say there's many schools of thought. We usually drive past the popular camps and prefer to camp in virgin areas on the desert trips, and naturally like to leave no trace.

Our preference is to dig a trench for the fire.
We use small wood on it in the morning for the billy and toast.
Before breaking camp, a couple of shovels of coals go down the long drop hole - helps burn away some of the paper which is then buried.
Then the trench is filled in - usually not much evidence that we've camped. We'd never use water on a fire.

As for the unsightly heaped up mounds - we often shovel it all away under a tree somewhere, and get it back to being flat.
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Reply By: Member - Duncan W (WA) - Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 20:40

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 20:40
One of my pet annoyances is that alot of people make their camp fires way to big. You see them sitting 3m or so away fromtheir fire because they are too damned hot to get close to. Ok I'll be the 1st to admit that there is nothing cosier than a roaring fire but realistically you don't need it.

Build a fire big enough to keep warm and cook your meals. When you go to bed drag large unburnt logs/branches clear of the heat.

Next morning if a fire is needed for cooking or burning rubbish a small fire is all that is needed. The unburnt or partially burnt timber, take it with you for the next camp or stack it for the next crowd. Wood is scarse in many parts - termites work wonders with decent fire wood.

If you have dug a decent sized fire pit cleaning up in the morning should be easy and clean. Use washing up water to cool the fire, and washing water etc.
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Reply By: DB - Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 22:22

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 22:22
I am really glad to see this topic discussed every now and then.

When we were up at cape york last year my four year old got very badly burned feet. This was despite my KNOWING that young children, bare feet and fires are a danger. However, he was burnt not at our fire, but at an adjacent one - people had pulled out that morning and had not properly extinguished their fire. They had sprinkled dirt/sand over it. My lad had seen some fully etinguished cold fires around and assumed this was also cold - but not!
I look back and think how lucky we were not to have him airlifted out to a burns unit - we sat for five hours with his feet in a bucket, gave panadol (later realised I actually had stronger pain relief for kids, but forgot it in the moment), then for the next four days he would play for an hour then sit for an hour with his feet in the bucket. I don't know how we got through those first few nights as he was in a great deal of pain tossing and turning with feet uunder the covers.

We spent an extra four days at Archer River so he mostly spent all day playing in the water of the river to cope with the blisters on his feet and toes.

This would not have happened if people were more aware of how their fire place affects others. (OK - if he was wearng shoes it wouldn't have happened either!) But we were at Coen River and I found people just set up their own fire place wherever suited them -all over the place by the river - and perhaps with such a heavily used campsite it would help if people tried to mark a fire area and re-use that.

Still - back to your main point - I agree that people need to really make sure their fire is out and especially don't cover with sand if it is a commonly used camping area.

OK - have spent 12 months wanting to get that off my chest!

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Reply By: Member - Adam S (SA) - Wednesday, Nov 14, 2007 at 19:17

Wednesday, Nov 14, 2007 at 19:17
This is the result of people thinking covering a fire with sand or dirt is okay.
This is one of my 5 year olds feet after he ran though a fire covered with sand in the Archer River the other foot was just as bad.
I realize he should of had something on fe
et but they had been paddling in the water and running around having fun like kids tend to do.
What annoys me the most was the water in river was flowing less than 3 metres away.

The end result was alot of unnecessary pain and two trips to hospital,Lockart River and Pormpuraaw.
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Follow Up By: Member - Adam S (SA) - Wednesday, Nov 14, 2007 at 19:20

Wednesday, Nov 14, 2007 at 19:20
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Follow Up By: ExplorOz Team - Michelle - Thursday, Nov 15, 2007 at 12:17

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Adam,
Your poor boy - I bet he cried and cried. Just a tip, have you heard of BurnAid? You can buy it from the chemists now in the first aid section, but previously only from the private first aid courses (well, in Wa anyway, as they are imported from SouthAfrica). I've used them on all sorts of burns, a burnt lip from Leah coming too close to a tray of biscuits straight out of the oven, an sizzle on the finger from the iron etc but thankfully not a campfire burn but the point is these things work so damn well that I have them in both cars, in the kitchen in the laundry etc. As most of us know, cool running water for 20mins is the ideal first aid for burns, however when camping, sufficient water is not often available. The BurnAid is basically a foil sachet holding foam that is soaked in some goo that has a natural antiseptic, and cooling function - the idea is you put the burnt appendenge into the bag and go to emergency. When I took Leah with her burnt lip they couldn't believe how successful this was and although the lip heals quickly and completely the BurnAid ensured it didn't blister. I find the same thing with treating simple ironing burns, that would normally hurt like hell, and blister. BurnAid stops the blistering completely and is very soothing. Anyway, I'm sure after this incident you'd like to know of any tips as its pretty easy for kids to have accidents camping and I feel like the burns are about the worst thing you'd want for them.
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Follow Up By: Member - bushfix - Thursday, Nov 15, 2007 at 12:35

Thursday, Nov 15, 2007 at 12:35
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Follow Up By: QLD Kev - Thursday, Nov 15, 2007 at 12:38

Thursday, Nov 15, 2007 at 12:38
Michelle,

I don't see it in the Shop, any possibility of getting it??

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Follow Up By: ExplorOz Team - Michelle - Thursday, Nov 15, 2007 at 12:39

Thursday, Nov 15, 2007 at 12:39
Ahhh - see I'm not always self-promoting!! Actually, we don't sell it but never thought of sourcing it. I'll get Michael right onto it. We get all our First Aid stock through the one supplier so lets hope they have it.
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Follow Up By: QLD Kev - Thursday, Nov 15, 2007 at 13:01

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LOL,

It is easier to get it if it is in the Shop, I just add things to my wish list till I get the money to spend without Sam knowing haha

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Follow Up By: ExplorOz Team - Michael - Thursday, Nov 15, 2007 at 14:46

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