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Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:23
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Hi all
I have a 60 series standard 4.0 diesel, what if any would fitting a set of extractors do to performance etc. Any info greatly appreciated
cheers Hatto
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Reply By:- Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 13:10

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 13:10
IMHO forget it. I recon better bet would be turbo.
Cheers.
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Reply By: Nick R (VIC) - Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 13:23

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 13:23
I have extractors on mine, I can out accelerate the GU ute (4.2 turbo) of another forum member!!! Extractors were on before I got it so I can't comment on the improvement over normal...
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Reply By: Member - Barnesy (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 13:43

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 13:43
Recently fiited good quality extractors to my 4.2 diesel GQ Patrol. It revs out easier, tows better without having to change down gears so often and generally drives easier.
I would say it gives about an extra 1/2 a gear most noticable when towing up hills.

Barnesy
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Reply By: Shane (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 15:48

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 15:48
I have a 83 60 Series Sahara diesel which is fitted with a after market Turbo plus 2 1/2" exhaust. Has been on for 100,000 odd K's. If you want a real power increase this is the only way to go. Once in 5th gear it takes a big hill before you have to change down & thats loaded with gear & additional 180 ltrs fuel. Not cheap, but a lot less than a new cruiser & probably a lot more reliable !
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Follow Up By: hatto - Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 16:26

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 16:26
Thanks for all the replies, I'm looking at all options, Some people say that 200 thou kms is to many to fit a turbo, and its hard to justify 3500.00 on a turbo when the vehicle is so old.
Shane what type turbo have you fitted
cheers hatto
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Follow Up By: Shane (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 18:56

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 18:56
It's a brand called AIT which is no longer in business. Basically it's a Garrett T3 with their own alloy induction pipes & their own exhaust manifold & vacuum wastegate. Looks very professional. Mine has only travelled 260,000 k's overall up till now, but I would have no hesitation of going around Aust tomorrow. It always used to run hot by the temp gauge & after spending big dollars on radiator -viscous fan etc it turned out to be the temp sender that had fallen to pieces. (dumb bastard I am). Now it never ever gets over a 1/4 on the hottest day with the air on. In fact it probably runs too cool. Don't believe the stories that the 2H doesn't like to be Turboed because it will overheat. These are good engines & will take a pounding. The 12HT is a legendary motor & the 2H is not far behind it when turboed, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if mine has a bit more grunt. These engines will spin out to 500,000k's if looked after, so don't be afraid to Turbo it !
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Follow Up By: hatto - Wednesday, Nov 14, 2007 at 08:39

Wednesday, Nov 14, 2007 at 08:39
Shane
Thanks for such a response it has given some good food for thought
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Follow Up By: Shane (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 14, 2007 at 08:49

Wednesday, Nov 14, 2007 at 08:49
To give you a comparison of power. Mate had a 2H 60 Series standard vehicle & over a 2 kilometer run on a major h'way from a start with him behind me by the time I had done a kilometer he was a 1/2k behind me. By the time I hit the first incline he just disappeared at a great rate of knots. I ended up pulling over & waiting for him after awhile because I thought he had broken down.
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Reply By: 96 GXL 80 series - Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 16:52

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 16:52
We had a 60 series years ago and did fit a set of extractors to it, made a little bit of difference in towing, but you need to update the whole exhaust system to be really noticeable.

A lot of cost for little extra.
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Reply By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 17:47

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 17:47
My 1985 60 has a turbo and 2.5in extractors it goes like a shot cat. (feral)

All the best
Eric
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Follow Up By:- Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 18:16

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 18:16
Excuse my ignorance please, but may I ask how it is possible to fit turbo and extractors at the same time?
Serg.
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 19:33

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 19:33
The people just did it I am not sure of the ins and outs of it.
I just pay the bills.

All the best
Eric
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Follow Up By:- Wednesday, Nov 14, 2007 at 08:04

Wednesday, Nov 14, 2007 at 08:04
Sorry, my post was kind of sarcastic. AFAIK turbo and extractors cannot mix together. Turbo hooked up directly to short common collector, while extractors connected to each cylinder separately and run to underneath of the car where connected together to bigger pipe. Means of extractors to create as equal piping from each cylinder as possible to create uniform uninterrupted flow from each cylinder. So even if someone put turbo after extractors it would mean only money, energy, time and space waste. And BTW good proper designed set of extractors newer been cheap and in my opinion deliver only mediocre performance gain on relatively slow RPM diesel, i.e. gain is here, but it far away for being value for money. Turboing diesel (in opposite of petrol) is always beneficial – if properly done no increase in fuel consumption with big increase in torque.
From your post it is appears that they install 2.5” exhaust to supplement your turbo. I wish to have such trustable supplier that I would only pay bill without knowing what they did. Unfortunately I do not have such luxury.
Cheers
Serg
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Reply By: Member - Tony P (VIC) - Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 18:25

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 18:25
I have both a turbo'd with 3inch exhaust and a standard 1HZ with extractors.
The extractors were on the Troopy when I bought it.
My opionion was the extractors did very little with a stock exhaust system. Would maybe pull the same load weight for extra 200m up the same hill before I had to change down a gear.
When I had the turbo fitted I had the extractors put on the 2nd 1HZ which is a trayback. My wife uses it to tow an extended horse float and she reckons its better than stock on the hills.
We drive totally differently, I change down and let it rev freely at up to 3000rpm, where she will let it lug down to 2000rpm before changing down. Each to their own. She probably gets better economy, I get better speed on hills and I dont feel like I'm laboring the engine. I drive this way in either Toyota.
Its your choice, I totaly agree with '96 GXL 80 series', that unless you spend the money to buy a bigger exhaust I dont think its worth it, but then the Turbo without the bigger exhaust was dissapointing as well.
If you can afford the turbo and bigger exhaust (2 1/2) I think you will certainly feel the power difference and certainly a big difference in acceleration and torque on long hill climbs.
I bought my turbo with the changeover of extractors and new big end bearings fitted to the Troopy for $3200.
Its worth shopping around. I have no association to any 4WD club, turbo manufactor, etc. I was happy with what I got for the money and the 4wd shop were terrific.
All up with 3inch exhaust $3750.00, I paid an extra $60 for a quieter muffler because it droned in the cab. (empty can inside those Troopy's, that should make the Nissan crowd smile).
Sorry the post is so long, I'm trying to give as much feedback as I can and I would have like in the past.
Cheers
Tony P.
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Follow Up By: hatto - Wednesday, Nov 14, 2007 at 08:49

Wednesday, Nov 14, 2007 at 08:49
Hi Tony
Your response and everybody else are fantastic. I'm only new at all this stuff, but this site and forum are fantastic. I always believe in asking questions of people who are in the real world and not salesmen hype or BS
cheers and thanks
Hatto
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Reply By: Member - Tony P (VIC) - Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 18:35

Tuesday, Nov 13, 2007 at 18:35
Hatto,
I realise that my reply related to 1HZ, but I have been told by others with the 4lt motor that the overall result was the same for them...
Cheers
Tony P
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Reply By: hatto - Wednesday, Nov 14, 2007 at 09:01

Wednesday, Nov 14, 2007 at 09:01
Hi All and thanks for the input. Looks like some homework on turbo's is in order- any pointers or recomendations
cheers Hatto
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Follow Up By: Davo_60 - Wednesday, Nov 14, 2007 at 12:27

Wednesday, Nov 14, 2007 at 12:27
I have a 2H with turbo and yes they do go well and are not too bad on the fuel either. They must be set up properly and pyro is essential for longevity, it is amazing how quick the exhaust temps get high. Engine needs to be in good nick as does cooling system. Injectors should also be done at the same time. It would cost close to 5 grand if you include all of this and a decent exhaust. Personally I would run the current setup until it is buggered (although that could take years as the are quite strong) and in the mean time look out for a good 12HT. Occaisionally a god rebuilt or low km's unit pops up for 6-7 grand and they bolt straight in. Just a thought anyway. Good luck and good to see a few 60's still getting around!
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