OT. Fair wine, greedy bugs and drill Bits
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Member - Kim M (VIC)
OT. Fair wine, greedy bugs and drill Bits
Sitting outside tonight during a warm evening thinking about the next trip. Planning requires a glass of red wine. Every time I picked up the glass there's all these critters floating on the top of the wine.
Anyone know what these bugs are? I don't mind ingesting a bit of protein, but these little buggers are starting to drink more than their far share....! LOL
On to more important matters. Is there such a thing as a high tensile drill bit? I'm trying to put a few holes into a trailer at the moment and getting nowhere. I've tried different drills, speeds and Bits and had almost no impact on the material I'm trying to drill through. The gauge is 4 and 6mm.
Regards
Kim
Reply By: QLD Kev & Darkie - Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 20:58
Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 20:58
Watch that the bugs are not flies as you'll end up like Doug ha ha
Kev
Get a stepped drill bit they are expensive but
well worth the money, just don't force it to drill
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Follow Up By: Member - Kim M (VIC) - Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 21:12
Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 21:12
Kev
Appreciate your advice. Nobody would want to finsh up like Doug. LOL
I'll go down and speak to the
young thing at Mitre 10 and ask for a stepped drill bit. Before I do so, what if the benefit of this bit?
Regards
Kim
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 01:46
Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 01:46
Gday Kim & Qld Kev,
Sorry to disagree but step drills really aren't meant for steel much over about 2mm.
Sounds like your using crap, or blunt drills?
What size hole are you trying to drill?
I'm not sure what your drilling but it sounds like its only mild steel?
Are you using a pilot first?
Start small and work up. (hope I'm not stating the obvious!)
What brand drills are they?
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Kim M (VIC) - Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 16:54
Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 16:54
Gidday Hairy
Finshed up buying a Cobalt drill bit (suitable for Stainless and medium steel) this morning. Finally got the first hole drilled and now working on the second.
The steel is the hardest I've ever come accross. Anyway, we'll get there with a bit of lubricant and sweat.
Regards
Kim
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Reply By: Jimbo from Best Off Road - Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 21:06
Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 21:06
Kim,
You need to call me more often.
I can tell you where to buy quality tools. Avoid the mainstream hardware stores, they only sell junk. They're not cheap, but they do the job.
As for your other problem, get some Citronella oil and burn it in a lantern. It keeps the nasties away.
Jim.
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Follow Up By: Member - Kim M (VIC) - Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 21:36
Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 21:36
Jim
I've tried everything on this metal.
Bloodly Queenslanders are only doing this to peeve the rest of the country off!
Appreciate your advice, but I think dog would have something to say about Citronella oil.
LOL
Regards
Kim
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncan W (WA) - Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 00:26
Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 00:26
Kim you get them everywhere. Trick is to drink faster than the bugs.
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Reply By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 09:49
Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 09:49
What size hole are you trying to drill? as for drilling get good quality drill bits as mentioned hereabouts do a pilot hole and then step up in size. I have not had any problems drilling 13 mm holes in 6 mm steel this way. Also set your drill to slow and don't force the drill good bits will simple do the job.
The only problem with the bugs is you drink slow lol :)
Have fun
Brian
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 10:55
Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 10:55
bit of oil and give the bit a few rests so it doesnt burn out as
well.
However if i need to do any decent drilling I find the best way is an expensive bit - cobolt etc
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Follow Up By: Member - Kim M (VIC) - Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 15:19
Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 15:19
Davoe
Exactly the same advice I got in a tool
shop this morning.
Finished up buying the Cobolt Bit, and eventually comleted the hole with the help of WD40 as a lubricant.....only three more to go.
Many thanks
Regards
Kim
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Reply By: Member - Royce- Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 14:53
Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 14:53
Why put the glass down?
Gnats..
Sounds like some space age metal.... or blunt bits...
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Follow Up By: Member - Kim M (VIC) - Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 15:30
Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 15:30
Giddy Royce
It's hard work this drinking.....a man must give the left arm a rest occasionally.
I don't mind the bugs having a bit of a taste, but when they go and tell their mates there's a free drinking session on it gets a bit much!
LOL
Regards
Kim
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Reply By: Ozboc - Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 09:53
Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 09:53
HI , most decent drill bits are made from HSS ( high speed steel ) and the same stuff we used to use for lathe
tools and milling cutters before carbide tooling came in ( HSS is cheaper than carbides so we still use HSS today, still easily grind able and adjustable for different applications such as screw cutting and odd cutter shapes )
HSS should be more than enough for mild steel applications , could not imagine the use of high carbon steels in a trailer except maybe on the hitch. So as others have mentioned a few pilot holes would be a great idea -- example you going FINISH ON A 13 MM HOLE
maybe start with a 4mm drill -- then 8 mm then 13 if its thin guage steel
if your doing 10 mm plate you would maybe go
4 mm 8 mm 12 mm 13 mm
remember faster speeds for small drills and slower speed for the larger drills - plenty of lube to keep the drill cool and moderate feed
for Stainless steel - you drill much slower but with much higher feed rate - don't allow to get hot as the s/s will work harden and you wont be able to drill easily( rake angles on the drill are also different)
blunt drill bits are the biggest cause of dodgey drilling , its a bit of an art to grind a drill by hand ( sharpen ) as you have to get both faces the same or one face will cut and the other wont , and you will end up with a drill that wants to wonder off and worse still a hole that is not straight, if your not good at sharpening your own drills - then buy one of those cheap drill sharpeners , they work pretty
well and for light work such as your doing ( nothing precision) it will be fine
hope this helps a little !!
Boc
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Follow Up By: Ozboc - Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 09:57
Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 09:57
aah forgot to add --as the the bug problem - My father who lives up past
Bundaberg had the same problem ... he now uses a tin that his home brew beer comes in. There about 8 inches tall and nice and wide. - he painted it with a nice landscape and then puts it over his drink ( schooner or wine glass ) works very
well and keeps the sun off also :)
simple idea but very effective
Boc
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