Prince Leonard of Hutt River

Submitted: Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 21:16
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This a bit off topic. You don't really want to know why I'm asking.

Does anyone know anything about Prince Leonard and Princess Shirley of Hutt River? It may be Hutt River Provence. Somewhere north of Perth.

I understand they've seceded from the Comonwealth.

I hope someone can tell me it's a bit of a tourist gimmick, a bit like Sovereign Hill at Ballarat.

On the website they both seem like a dear, elderly couple having a bit of fun as they make a tourist dollar with their ingenious tourist slant on things.

They must surely pay tax. Their own currency would only be a bit of a game. All the robes and crests would be a part of a tung in cheek act, huh?

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Laurie.
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Reply By: Mobi Condo - Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 21:29

Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 21:29
Hello - had some good friends drop in there just a few weeks back and they reckon they had a great day in the province. Much tourist stuff and they are happy to chat and show folks around we are told.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian W (NSW) - Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 21:38

Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 21:38
Gawd! Are they still kicking?
Lots of hoo ha and carry on about twenty five years ago when they claimed to have seceded from the Commonwealth. Of course they haven't but by all means humour them. It's really just a touristy thing now.

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Reply By: Willem - Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 21:37

Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 21:37
Hutt River Provence has been round for about 30 years
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Reply By: Jimbo from Best Off Road - Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 21:43

Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 21:43
He started this fiasco about 35 years ago.

Totally different to Sovereign Hill.

If he's happy and doing well, good luck to him.
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Reply By: Bega Photographer - Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 22:20

Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 22:20
Thanks for that info, fellas. That's about what I expected to hear. Glad you could confirm that.

You see, it's not Prince Leonard that I'm worried about.

There's this fella has turned up on a webmaster forum who runs a micronation and believes he can bring his people to a useless part of Australia and set up.

He quotes two other successful micronations: One off the British coast and Hutt River Provence.

Now, if you'd seen the way he interacted on the webmaster forum and read his website, you'd understand that I think that if he was pushed, he could turn into another Martin Bryant. It's not one of those things where people dress up on the weekend and rollplay. This bloke's for real.

This is way off topic for this forum so we should leave it there. I was confident that I'd get information here about Hutt River Provence.

Don't know if I should do anything about this or just let it go.

Thanks,
Laurie.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 23:20

Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 23:20
> and believes he can bring his people to a useless part of Australia and set up.

where Canberra? or bleep ney?
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Follow Up By: Bega Photographer - Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 23:59

Friday, Nov 16, 2007 at 23:59
Hadn't thought of Canberra. Only thought of Marralinga

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Laurie.
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Follow Up By: Pajman Pete (SA) - Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 16:02

Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 16:02
The province off england is "Sealand"

SeeWikipedea for details.

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Reply By: Motherhen - Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 00:09

Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 00:09
The idea started many years ago, when the Govt where bringing in wheat quotas (restricting the amount of wheat a farmer could sell). One farmer between Kalbarri and Northampton didn't like the idea and set he could legally secede. That's where it started. The wheat quotas didn't last that long anyway, as the surplus became a shortage on the world stage.

Yes, i think now Hutt River Provence is a sort of touristy thing. I've driven past the farm, but not called in.
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Follow Up By: lizard - Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 00:15

Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 00:15
Sorry Motherhen , I think you're correct ...wheat & sheep , never liked either !
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Reply By: lizard - Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 00:13

Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 00:13
Didn't he originally start this because of dissatisfaction with wool tax or something like that ...damn I don'tknow any more - whers my 6th glass of win e ? !
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Reply By: disco1942 - Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 00:37

Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 00:37
It appears that the Hut River Province is independent of Australia. The local tourist info we saw a few months ago acknowledged the fact. It also went on to say that the residents were not entitled to things like Medicare and other things we take for granted. The legislation that allowed the succession is no longer usable since negating legislation has been brought into force.

For a little on the history of the succession read this link

There is also a Wikipedia article on them

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Reply By: Member- Rox (WA) - Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 01:29

Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 01:29
I think ther's something about WA never being under the crown. It was never claimed by Cook. Not sure of the details but i think Prince Lenard said something about this.
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Reply By: Member - Jack - Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 17:02

Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 17:02
We visited there last year. Fascinating.

If you read the stuff there, it is perfectly legal. He has seceeded from the Commonwealth. There is (supposedly) supporting documentation there on (supposedly) Government letterhead supporting this view.

One of the things Prince Leonard did was to declare war on Australia (with a small tank), and because nobody came to fight, he was able to declare his patch separate from Australia.

It is a terrific place to visit, and very interesting. It did start, as mentioned earlier, due to imposing wheat quotas, but he also seems to have scored some smart legal minds to steer him through the whole thing.

Worth a visit if you are in the area.

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Follow Up By: Member - Jack - Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 17:03

Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 17:03
PS: I did happen to notice that he had his vehicle legally registered, so he has not abandoned all the Australian formalities.

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Follow Up By: Bega Photographer - Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 19:01

Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 19:01
How far north of Perth is Hutt River Provence, Jack?

We're going to Perth, part way through next year.

Must be quite an international event when the prince crosses the border in order to get supplies.

When he buys a new vehicle, he'd have to pay the export duty incurred by the manufacturer.

Wonder how he goes with an overseas bank account.

Thanks,
Laurie.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jack - Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 20:09

Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 20:09
Hi Laurie:

It is about 600 km north of Perth. When we went we were based up at Kalbarri for a few days.Kalbarri is a great part of the world IMHO.

I don't think too many people notice when he crosses the border. He is a lovely old character though, and I am sure most of his stories have grown grander over the years. We have to have these characters...to me they make the journey so much more enjoyable and interesting.

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Follow Up By: Bega Photographer - Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 23:01

Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 23:01
***I don't think too many people notice when he crosses the border. He is a lovely old character though, and I am sure most of his stories have grown grander over the years. We have to have these characters...to me they make the journey so much more enjoyable and interesting.***

Yes, all that can be seen in the photos on his website.

A photo of Prince Leonard in his robes, in front of his coat of arms, holding his sword and two kids, one on either side, each with a hand on the sword, along with the prince's hand.

Young people posing for a photo in the prince's and princess's chairs.

The delight of tourists as they interact with Prince Leonard and Princess Shirley in the shop.

Yes, we need people like that.

Regards,
Laurie.
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Reply By: Member -Signman - Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 18:06

Saturday, Nov 17, 2007 at 18:06
I still have my ' visa' for entering Hutt River Province in 1979.
Had a cuppa and a yarn with the Prince.



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Reply By: 96 GXL 80 series - Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 00:07

Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 00:07
This is the link to the homepage.

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