Will a L/Cruiser charge 4 batteries???
Submitted: Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 17:23
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Steve from Top End Explorer Tours
I'm heading off soon on an extended trip, I have a draw system in the cruiser that has a 47lt Engel and a 68lt Eva Kool.
Is it possible to have a N70ZZL and a N70ZZ under the bonnet, a 130ah US Battery deep cycle and a 70ah deep cycle all in parallel in the rear, joined by 10 mm cable and then charged by a 100 series GXL alternator.
Would they all charge over a 4 to 8 hour drive, the plan would be to hard wire the fridges to separate batteries being the deep cycle ones, I would also have a switch to isolate the rear batteries over night
Any other sugestions would be aprisiated
Reply By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 17:28
Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 17:28
Here's a suggestion Don't put the Submit button next to the spell check button, that would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Cheers Steve.
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Reply By: Solar Gooroo - Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 17:50
Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 17:50
Can not see a problem with your ideas... charge time depends on how much you drain them over night. You can expect anything from 20 - 50 a/h of charge so lets say you have to charge 330amps worth of dead batterys... (130 + 130 + 70) You would take every bit of 7 hours (roughly) to bring them back up... Obviously the charge to these batteries will also depend on things like 1. if the fridges are still running while you are driving 2. If you have hungry items on in the car like the AC. So It may take 4 hours with half dead batteries or it may take 10...
Pete
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 00:07
Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 00:07
cant see why the A/C would have a big effect, its only the compressor clutch and fan that draw 12 volt power?
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Follow Up By: Solar Gooroo - Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 21:46
Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 21:46
I have seen some aircons draw upwards of 15 - 20 amps at some points... this means that if the alternator is trying to supply current to the ac, plus say a fridge plus charge a few batteries... you leave little current to charge said batteries... Think of it like a deck of cards.. you have 52.. if you deal someone 30.. only leaves 22 for someone else...
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 01:35
Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 01:35
but the alternator doesnt supply current to the AC, only to the AC magnetic pulley and the heater fan. AC compressor runs off the crankshaft pulley.
I would
hazard a guess that if your magnetic pulley and fan drew 20 amps, there is something quite wrong there. It would be better practise to find the problem than to cover up the symptom with a patchup?
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Follow Up By: Solar Gooroo - Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 21:36
Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 21:36
To the best of my knowledge your are correct.... However I have seen the amp meter readings... I guess there could have been a problem there somewhere but that wasnt why i was working on it so didnt go into it... But you do make a good point and with more thought I tend to agree with your points... I might test my own AC just for the hell of it.. cheers
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Reply By: chardthechippy - Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 17:51
Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 17:51
I think it will charge all the batteries over a long trip but the cable connecting the deep cycle to the alt is going to have a fair voltage drop over that length and running thru isolators so it will take a lot longer to charge. You will have to use manual isolators otherwise it will a long time down the road before you get enough volts in the first deep cycle battery to trip an automatic isolator.
If you are driving every day and black-out the back windows, use insulated travel bags or whatever you can do to make the ambient temp cooler I would think the 130 amp hour battery would be enough to power both fridges.
I am having trouble with my simple set-up at the moment too. The isolator isn`t tripping over to charge the aux battery, I am going to beef up the cable to starter cables and earth straight to the block as
well as the chassis.
I am no auto electrician, just trying to help out.
Cheers Chard.
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Reply By: orange - Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 18:37
Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 18:37
I'm wondering about
solar power and/or extra batteries. I was told that a deep cycle battery would run a 40L fridge for 2 days. If you charge up 4 batteries, would they hold their charge until needed?
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 19:38
Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 19:38
Steve,
It will be fine.
Lets assume your starting battery is only used for starting - soon after starting it will only want a few amps.
The other 3 batteries, assuming they are in good condition, about 50% discharged, and allowing for the fact that two of them are wet cell deep cycle, will draw about 20-30amps each when they are first charged. This will gradually drop as they are charged.
Your alternator is 110 amp from memory.
Make sure all batteries have a good earth back to the motor.
Cheers
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Reply By: Willem - Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 20:36
Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 20:36
Geeezus!!!v In the beginning there was ONE vehicle with ONE battery and it toured Australia left, right and centre
4 Batteries is a bit of overkill, eh Steve???....LOL
Cheers
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Reply By: TroopyTracker - Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 21:13
Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 21:13
Steve,
I'd say no, not properly. I'd do what a mate put me onto. Install a good inverter, plug a good charger into that and wire it via a relay so it all fires up once vehicle is running. Standard alternators are a crap way to charge house batteries.
Just my opinion 12 volt nazis aout there!!!;-))))
Matt
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Reply By: stocky - Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 21:32
Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 21:32
My LC100 struggled to charge 2 batteries - stupid POS!
*Supposedly* nothing wrong with alternator - checked by more than one auto-sparky - but same setup in the 'troll works 100%! I'm blaming the "i'm too clever" alternator in the cruiser as again same setup in previous lo-lux performed perfectly!!
Never solved the issue - killed too many batteries ($$$$$) - luckily I changed cars! LOL!
Now I have my Troll charging the "factory" battery, and N70 Aux and N70 in the camper - all quite happily!
I use a REDARC smart solenoid - far less hassles than the ARB dumb-solenoid i used to have!
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Just my experience for you to consider!
:-)
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Reply By: TD100 - Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 21:49
Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 21:49
Steve,i have 2 optimas and a 100ah gel in my 100 series and in 4.5 years have had no charging issues even with flats from alternator charging,yes the gel takes ages to charge when run down but a good days driving and its right to go again,i dont see any problems with the setup but use a good management unit to drive the extra batteries and big enough cable.cheers Paul
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Reply By: Member - Mainey (wa) - Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 01:34
Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 01:34
So the 2 x N70's under the bonnet are the Cranking batteries?
There is a manual "battery ISOLATOR" installed between the 2 x Deep Cycle batteries and the 2 x "Cranking" batteries !!
IMO the 10mm Sq cable is too thin !!
The two batteries wired in parallel are in fact now only ONE battery for the purposes you have described.
If you drive EACH day for 4 - 8 hours, you should have no problems.
BUT: if you had 1 x 120ah (or even better, 2 x 80ah) AGM DEEP CYCLE batteries you would get much better battery performance and reliability, as they will charge in only 1/3 the time of conventional batteries and they will charge higher @ 12.8v where a conventional battery is only 12.6v.
If you had a ~80wt solar panel on the roof you would have NO problems.
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Reply By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 20:47
Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 20:47
Thanks for your replies, you have been helpful.
Cheers Steve.
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