Global Warming, maybe there is something to it?

46...is that in degrees or age?......lol


Nah, I think we are just going through a weather cycle. Just like we have history repeating itself(because man always forgets the mistakes he makes) so do we have weather repeating itself. You have just forgotton when a November was as warm as this.

Cheers

Hi Jimbo

In the news tonight they said in a big voice that it was the hottest November day and then in little voice, in four years. So maybe your memory is just not that good.

Have fun

Craig

These sort of weather patterns happen with El Nina.....the end to El nino.....

Laura

I moved to Adelaide in 1982 - reckon it was as hot as hell in summer that year. But the heat hasn't bothered me since.

Sure, the world is heating up, but there's nothing new about temperature changes. If its any consolation, Mars is heating up as well!

I'm 63, it's mid November in Hamilton NZ at 12midnight (civilised time) and it's just right. It's been this way for several days.

22dg today and 12 overnight. This exactly std for this time of year.

Global Warming? utter rubbish.
Climate Change? well maybe.

CliveG NZ

Jimbo
I don't have time for all this political crap going on , I can remember my Parents talking about a heat wave in Adelaide in about 1938 at 117deg , To think that us Microscopic Humans can cause the planet to change is stupidity, Yes we are microscopic compared to the rest of the universe, I also remember Mum saying about the Atom bomb tests , "They will blow the world up" She had no idea of the force of one 10 Klm wide Meteor back then and what forces it and destruction it caused, even the worlds Volcanoes are spewing much more into the atmosphere than humans will in 100s years .

Reason 1 / Vredefort Dome, approximately 120 km south-west of Johannesburg, is a representative part of a larger meteorite impact structure, or astrobleme. Dating back 2,023 million years, it is the oldest astrobleme yet found on Earth. With a radius of 190 km, it is also the largest and the most deeply eroded. Vredefort Dome bears witness to the world’s greatest known single energy release event, which had devastating global effects including, according to some scientists, major evolutionary changes. It provides critical evidence of the Earth’s geological history and is crucial to understanding of the evolution of the planet. Despite the importance of impact sites to the planet’s history, geological activity on the Earth’s surface has led to the disappearance of evidence from most of them, and Vredefort is the only example to provide a full geological profile of an astrobleme below the crater floor.

Reaso 2 / Manicouagan

Reason 3 Chicxulub Effects/

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Is it or isn't it ?
I look at it this way.
Lets suppose it isn't, and we clean the planet up a bit. The result is we have a better place to leave behind.
Now lets suppose it is, and we do nothing. The results COULD be catastrophic for many (according to the UN report).
So what to do?
I have insurance on my vehicle, even though I have no plans to have an accident.
I rekkon that the planet "cleaning up it's act " might be good insurance.

Marble Bar in WA is the hottest town in Oz. Something like 120 consecutive days over 38 degrees in the 1930's. Today it was 46 degrees!

How many of the polar icecaps were melting in the 1930's? Were the oceans becoming acidic in the 30's like they are now? The answer to both is no.

Hi Jimbo

Sure is a warm for november but we can't use the odd record temperatures etc to draw conclusions.

Human beings have evolved to fundamently be short term thinkers but at least this year the scientific world bodies have made the definative statements so we can now set about fixing
things up even though it will come to late for some.

There will always be those who still think the earth is flat, cigarettes won't hurt you or their car gets this incredible mileage.

We have an massive inbuilt tendency to be much more critical of messages that we dont like or don't wish to hear.

I think an effective approach to these things is to be aware that you can influence your local enviroment and make a local situation better no matter what the subject.

E.G. Using loss of tracks as an example, knowledge , using the law, and a few discreet changes can ensure you have a lot more acessible forrest than otherwise.

Robin Miller

Global warming is one part of the equation that worries me, but there is a side to it that scares me even more; PEAK OIL. Do an internet search, have a read, have a think about how much modern society relies on oil, then about what might happen as it gets more and more expensive before vritually running out. You can hope that the government may be forward thinking, but they were warned about climate change more than ten years ago and are still just talking. Five years or ten, who knows but a Mad Max reality may not be too far away.

Snowy

Jimbo,
I agree with Willem in that we are going through a cycle. It was reported last night on the news that back in 1890 (I think) we had similar temperatures in Melbourne. Remember last Christmas? I had my woodfire going all day and then a couple of days later was swimming in the Howqua river.........

Rob

For all the rabid greenies (I like to mild manered greenies :-))

The Ozone hole - shock horror - we have to fix it quick. But guess what ? Ozone is a greenhouse gas ! The more ozone we have the more we heat the planet !

Hello - here we go again...one off hot days (or cold days) can not be used as an argument for or against climate change. It may well have been that hot many times in the past - but that is actually irrelevant - its more to do with the frequency of the highest/coldest temps, rainfall etc - i.e. average over set period of time. e.g. The maximum temp in the Artic may never reach historical maximums.....but if it is, say 25°C all year round then we have a slight issue.

Cheers
Greg

I am forever amazed by the comfort some people have in the fact that we have had climate cycles before so this is just another cycle so what are we worrying about. These believers clearly have only had a very superficial look at the arguments. Bit like the anti evolutionists who will cling grimly to their denial of the evidence no matter what. The argument has almost nothing to do with whether or not we have had climate cycles before. The scientists whose research has led to the current concern base their findings on understanding previous cycles, not denying they existed. What is different about this cycle is the speed at which it is happening. Yes, we have had very fast cycle changes in the past but these were caused by some kind of major trauma, like meteorite impact or huge volcanic eruption. The results were massive species extinction, a very long recovery period and major change of life forms. This time, the only trauma event is us and the rate we are releasing energy into ecosystem. Our species and lifestyle has evolved in a particular climate window. Changing climate significantly and quickly will be disastrous for our species/lifestyle.

Well!!!! I didn't realise there were so many learned people on a 4wd site, knowing all about the pros and cons of global warming.

Good skills, just shows what a dipstick I am.

Just think about this, wasn't many years ago there was a flotilla of doctors and scientists that could prove smoking didn't harm anyone

OK I'll wade into the debate.

I firmly believe the current issue of climate change is politically driven as a method for control. Remember the "New World Order". They haven't really gone away, just changed clothes.

That said, I think man has done much damage throughout history for us to notice but in the whole scheme of things they are not life threatening to the planet or it's inhabitants in general. We have killed off various species of plants and animals and polluted like there was no tomorrow.

I still do not believe that our normal actions of today will be the killer of us and our future generations.

However, we should be more kinder to our planet and to those of us who share it. We should employ best practices to clean our emissions from our productivity (commercially and privately) and make the world a better cleaner place to live. Some of us like to live in what others think is garbage and those possibly couldn't handle the clinical environment the others live in.

We should try to leave this world a better place, but to think we have only "X" years before the planet is stuffed is nonsense.

To think politics can fix the problem in a 4 year term is a joke when they can't even get our roads fixed. They have spruiked "vote for me and we will fix the environment and reverse climate change" or words to that effect. Do they really think their policies are that effective?

We do have real problems with society though, and that should be where the megabucks should be spent so we can be a peaceful race and can think happy thoughts and live in harmony with nature. Get our kids to be more responsible and respectful, and we may achieve the Utopian result by mistake:)

I advocate getting around OZ as much as possible to see the beauty of this land even if it means burning fuel, wearing out rubber, creating landfill, and wearing the tracks away. What's the point of having a beautiful earth if no one enjoys it? It's a bit too far to walk.

PS where I am today it is remarkably cooler than normal. And in the words of agent 86 .... "and loving it".

If you really want to know the truth, here is a site that will keep you reading till the cows come home.
Ian

Climate change research