Fuel longevity??

Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 12:06
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Just wondering how long can diesel and petrol last in a jerry can?. We have the black Rheem ones. Does it change if you have yellow or red ones or if it is the steel ones.

Thanks in advance.

Greg
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Reply By: tim_s - Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 12:35

Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 12:35
Hi Greg S

I think diesel last a very long time (years?). However petrol does go off. I think it is something to do with losing the volitiles out of the petrol (especially when you vent them to release the pressure. I recently used petrol that was ~3 months old (maybe a bit longer) and it gave me ~20l/100km instead of the expected 14-15!! Could not belive the rate that the fuel needle went down. I will not do that again.

I will be interested in seeing other's opinions.

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Tim
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Follow Up By: Member - greg S (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 12:52

Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 12:52
Thanks Tim,
That's interesting about your fuel consumption.
I keep a jerrycan of diesel and petrol at home for emergencies. I know I should rotate them more often, but forget to do so. They have probably been in there for around 6 months or more!!!.

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Reply By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 14:24

Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 14:24
Had some petrol in a 60lt drum for 10 years once Greg.

Worked without noticing any issue when poured into a car tank that had about the same amount left.

Also I keep about 150lt of petrol in various jerries and rotate thru probably every 6 months depending on current fuel prices.

Keep accurate fuel use records as well and while I would not detect small bad effects , I have certainly never had a single fuel issue.

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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 16:38

Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 16:38
I have heard reports of diesel growing a 'fungus' from a number of sources.

My father was a marine diesel mechanic for a rescue organisation in the UK, they had a policy of not keeping large amounts of diesel. They wanted small amounts so it turned over regularly.

Also a good friend of mine who is a pretty good diesel spanner man suggested I don't keep diesel in Jerries for extended periods for the same reason.

Niether Dad or my mate suggested it was something to get too worried about but that I should put oeft over diesel from jerry cans into the car soon after returning from a trip.

Duncs
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Follow Up By: Member -Dodger - Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 16:52

Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 16:52
There is an additive product for both fuels from Pro-Ma products that increases the longevity of fuel.
Different additive for each fuel though.
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Follow Up By: equinox - Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 17:03

Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 17:03
I'm looking into an additive for work, but have some time up my sleeve so havn't really started.

In March I paid $1.80/l and $300 labour to dispose of about 650l of eight year old diesel.

Yes - all my work collegues said why didn't I use it in the 4WD. No way!!


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Follow Up By: Member - greg S (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 17:12

Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 17:12
Thanks everyone for their replies.

I will be using all the fuels in the next month, so hopefully they will be all right.
We have a pro-ma guy in the area, so I will give him a call and see what he has got.
Or if it gets the better of me I might just give the mother in law 20L of free unleaded for xmas!!!

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Follow Up By: Member - Mainey (wa) - Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 19:38

Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 19:38
If the diesel is in a "full" jerry it will last much longer than 1/2 empty.
Understanding is the air at the top contains moisture and contaminates the fuel.

Just as truckles will tell you they will never use the pumps that are hard to get to because the easier ones are always 'fresh' fuel because it has to be replaced more often, it burns more efficiently giving better economy and power.

I keep a 20Lt Jerry can full in the back (just in case) and use and replace it every few months into a 3/4 full fuel tank, so it will mix with-out hassles.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Wednesday, Nov 21, 2007 at 23:46

Wednesday, Nov 21, 2007 at 23:46
"In March I paid $1.80/l and $300 labour to dispose of about 650l of eight year old diesel."

I assume Rural Fire Service / Country Fire Authority would have taken it with no charge to use a Drip Torch Fuel.
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Follow Up By: equinox - Wednesday, Nov 21, 2007 at 23:55

Wednesday, Nov 21, 2007 at 23:55
Thanks Mike,

I will know what to do next time ;)))

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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 17:22

Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 17:22
If the petrol is doubtful and I have used this method without any ill affects in SWMBO car was to mix equal quantities in the fuel tank with premium unleaded.
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Reply By: Member - Fred G (NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 18:01

Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 18:01
My Triton is duel fuel i.e LPG/petrol. I mostly run on LPG with a full tank of petrol in reserve. Petrol is only used for starting, so a tankfull lasts forever, unless I go on a trip, and very occasionally have to switch to petrol. Broken Hill to Cobar is a good Example, as when towing my van, I do not have much LPG on board by the time I get to Wilcannia, (70 lt tank), where there is no LPG and soon after have to switch to petrol. I then use about 3/4 of my petrol for the run into Cobar. (Always seem to use a lot of LPG/Petrol on that stretch towing the van, same going the other way.) Maybe there is something in the quality detrioration of the petrol stored for a long time. Around town I hardly ever go to petrol. They say to keep the tank full to avoid condensation. Any thoughts from others on that?
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Reply By: F4Phantom - Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 18:07

Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 18:07
Petrol and diesel are made up of carbon chains, diesel ones are long and petrol ones short. The more "surface area" you have the more power in a faster burn you get. The short chains are more volitile and evaporate fast. If you leave the fuel sitting short chains will not stay around. But the long ones dont go anywhere.

I once left petrol sitting for a year or two and I think it could have quite easily gone into my diesel. Also down from diesel is other stuff like ship fuel called heavy oil, its more like vegemite!
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Reply By: Member - Alan H (Narangba QLD - Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 18:11

Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 18:11
They say to keep fungus out of stored diesel just add kero as it kills off any fungus and the diluted diesel will still work fine.

I bottle of kero to a vehicle tank full.

Never personally done it but have nver stored fuel for too long either. Picked a tank of bad fuel once down south and after many tinkerings just drained the tank and refilled and presto the problem was gone so I don't know what was wrong with the fuel.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 19:46

Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 19:46
Dont know about here but the crap unleaded we used to get in New Zealand a few years ago used to turn into a horrible varnish smelling liquid after about 3 months of non use.

Have first hand knowledge of it as wife used the car (running on LPG)and didnt turn the petrol on weekly like I told her.

She ran out of gas one day and flicked it over to petrol.

One $600 petrol pump later she found out why I said WEEKLY thanks.
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Wednesday, Nov 21, 2007 at 18:58

Wednesday, Nov 21, 2007 at 18:58
Alan

I won't be putting any kero in my diesel tank.

Diesel is a lubricant while kero is a solvent.

If you put kero in your diesel it will reduce lubrication in your fuel pump and injectors. That repair cost me $2500.

In the early 90's there was a lot of fuel doctoring went on. The common system was to add a bit of heating oil to stretch the diesel however this lowered the temperature of the burn and caused very obvious problems. To overcome this kero was added to the mix because it burns hotter.

A servo in my area was closed down when after a using diesel from that particular servo over an extended period, the fire engine from the area broke down because of damage to the fuel pump.

I'd stay well away from the kero, it burns good but it will cost you in the long term.

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Reply By: Member - barry F (NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 19:01

Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 19:01
Fuel is like beer !! Its meant to be used!! why do you want to put it in storeage!! LOL
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 20:44

Tuesday, Nov 20, 2007 at 20:44
Do a Google a search and get the real facts !
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