NSW Nat Parks - fee Increase

Submitted: Thursday, Nov 22, 2007 at 18:43
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Have just stayed at a NSW NP, and the cost was $27 per night.
($10 pp camping + $7 vehicle entry per day).
A Contractor collects the fees, and is VERY efficient (called within 5 minutes of our arrival, and visited the park several times a day, every day, during our our 4 day stay).
Reason for fee increase - "the need to comply with competitive neutrality principles with respect to ...private operators".
(eg same price as the caravan parks).

So - I asked him - OK - if you must be "competitively neutral" , where are the hot showers, the water on tap, the powered site, the laundry....
(don't get me wrong, I DO NOT WANT them, but if they are going to charge..)
His reply - don't shoot the messenger, I am just the collector.
He said that the Govt not only doesn't fund the NP, they take 50% of the fees collected. So - rather than National Parks being a cost to Govt, they are being used to raise revenue.

And to put icing on the cake, the brochure notifying the fee increase says " for further information, call the (local) NPWS". The Govt bring in the law, but pass the buck onto the local rangers. Nice touch NSW Pollies.

Ok - I will take some blood pressure pills and get off the soap box....Keith
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Reply By: Member - Cruiser (NSW) - Thursday, Nov 22, 2007 at 21:43

Thursday, Nov 22, 2007 at 21:43
See post 51280.

I posted this info and it barely raised a ripple. Guess we have all just accepted fee rises (justified or not) as part of our daily lives.

I have approached the local state polly and he wasnt much interested and i sent an email to NPWS and they said someone would call me soon. 3 weeks and still waiting.

May as well go belt head against a brick wall.
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Follow Up By: bware - Friday, Nov 23, 2007 at 12:52

Friday, Nov 23, 2007 at 12:52
"I posted this info and it barely raised a ripple. Guess we have all just accepted fee rises......as part of our daily lives."

It seems that many folk may have more dollars than sense!

The increases will stop us going to some of our favourite spots on the coast; purely because it beyond our budget now.
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Reply By: Member - greg S (QLD) - Thursday, Nov 22, 2007 at 21:51

Thursday, Nov 22, 2007 at 21:51
Keith,

At that price it's no wonder a lot of people are looking for free campsites.

Greg
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Follow Up By: bware - Friday, Nov 23, 2007 at 12:58

Friday, Nov 23, 2007 at 12:58
True; and the more people look for free camping the sooner there wont be free camping as soon as councils etc see there is a dollar to be made.
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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, Nov 22, 2007 at 21:56

Thursday, Nov 22, 2007 at 21:56
"the need to comply with competitive neutrality principles with respect to ...private operators"

WTF

Typical indecipherable bull bleep from the politically correct wankers that run this State. Next time I'll tell you how I really feel LOL
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Follow Up By: bware - Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 01:53

Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 01:53
Are you going to vote for any pollies tomorrow? LOL

I read recently that if your vote is done correctly, then you can write anything you want on the forms without invalidating your vote. That info is from an official website. I know I will express a bit of angst.
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Follow Up By: bware - Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 02:04

Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 02:04
Just to validate; taken from the ABC website - Can I write on the ballot paper?

Yes, but remember this, the only people who see the ballot papers are the people who count the votes. If you are trying to send a message to John Howard or Kevin Rudd, they will never see it. But feel free to express yourself if it makes you feel better. There are two golden rules however. DON'T write in such a way that the voting squares will be obscured. This will make your vote informal. And DON'T put your name or address on the ballot paper. Your vote will be informal if you can be identified from the ballot paper.
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Follow Up By: bware - Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 02:21

Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 02:21
So, my formal vote will go something like this;
You bleep ing bleep s; why don't you pull your bleep ing fingers out of your bleep ing bleep s and bleep ing do some bleep ing good with the bleep ing surplus budget you keep bleep ing telling us about. LOL
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 06:15

Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 06:15
bware,

You on a high after work LOL

No, I voted earlier this week. Don't have to mix with the masses today hahahahaha.

You'll have to explain what voting today has to do with lining the Mindless Idiot's pockets via NSWNPS fees.

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Follow Up By: bware - Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 08:11

Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 08:11
Gramps,

Now I'm on the 'high after up waking up at 5.30 am to watch the kids 'cause the wife is doing the markets' LOL (Jeez, my 6yo just pointed out my spelling mistakes LOL)

What's voting today got to do with it? Well, considering it's a federal election, nothing! LOL Just a general statement about politicians that came from my frustrated gut-full :-)))

I'm off to vote with a kid under each arm; and it will all be worth it ;-)))

Cheers,

Brian
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 08:51

Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 08:51
Brian,

Politicians - a pox on ALL their houses LOL. It does'nt matter who wins, we'll still be bending over and getting screwed.

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Follow Up By: bware - Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 09:54

Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 09:54
LOL
Yeah, While I'm out voting I've got to get a few things. I'll just add a jar of vasoline to the list :-(((
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Reply By: JimDi - Thursday, Nov 22, 2007 at 22:16

Thursday, Nov 22, 2007 at 22:16
As for the contracted fee collector just being "the messenger". If he/she collects the fees on behalf of NPWS then they also collect the adverse or otherwise comments. Goes with the job,and they can pass them on.
JimDi
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Follow Up By: bware - Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 02:09

Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 02:09
Yep.
And who pays the messenger? You and me, in the long run
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Reply By: Member - Barnesy (SA) - Friday, Nov 23, 2007 at 02:36

Friday, Nov 23, 2007 at 02:36
Certainly sounds like a load of bollocks. The whole point of national parks is to keep them publicly owned and operated for the benefit and enjoyment of everyone.

I certainly don't want Australia's national parks turned into 'for profit' tourist parks.

Barnesy
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Follow Up By: bware - Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 01:40

Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 01:40
When I read something that is exactly what I would say, I think " bleep , that is idealistic" LOL

I agree with you but NSW's NP's have ALREADY turned into 'for profit' tourist parks. The one thing harder than stopping the government doing something, is trying to get them to reverse a decision. :-(((
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Reply By: Axel [ the real one ] - Friday, Nov 23, 2007 at 15:47

Friday, Nov 23, 2007 at 15:47
Absolute ripoff by NSW GOVT, we did a w/end last w/end at a private campgroud /4x4 park in NSW ,cost for 2 adults + 2 kids $50 for 2 nights ,hot showers ,toilets +firewood supplied , bushwalks into a nat park , yet the govt has a hide to tell you they have to charge the same as" Private" then charge more $ and give you less!! If you have never been ,have a look at Levuka.com.au.
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Follow Up By: bware - Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 02:40

Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 02:40
That sounds good.
It's a shame though that I have to start considering a completely different environment to beaches (which I have spent my whole life enjoying, and wish to introduce my children to), because it is too expensive to stay at our local environment.
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Reply By: Member - Terry D (QLD) - Friday, Nov 23, 2007 at 21:23

Friday, Nov 23, 2007 at 21:23
g'day
Well I can do better than that. Two weeks ago visiting South West Rocks NSW (near Kempsey), at the Trial Bay jail park, run by NSW NP, it was $24 per adult and $9/kid, per night - whether powered, unpowered, with or without a view. Admittedly, it is beautiful, but for two of us, that's $48/night, the dearest we have encountered in our travelling thus far (ps we didn't stay, went to Hat Head for $22/night)
Regards
td
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Follow Up By: bware - Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 01:20

Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 01:20
Yep, Trial bay takes the cake. As others have said, we are now paying caravan park prices or more but you don't get the pool, amenities, communal kitchen, games room etc. It's a funking joke.

I agree it is beautiful. But you should check their prices during school holidays! Oh, that's right, they are the only site I know of that doesn't list their prices on the NPWS website; you need to contact Trial Bay directly.
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Follow Up By: Axel [ the real one ] - Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 10:50

Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 10:50
One of the classic over charged places now is Moreton Island {even though it is a magic place and we go at least 2x per yr} costs to take the vehicle + ct over + camping fees / permits you end up with no change from $600 for 6/7 nights.
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Follow Up By: bware - Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 12:34

Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 12:34
Terry, I will correct myself. There are amenities at Trial Bay and at Woody Head but you have to pay to use the showers; it's not included in the site fees.

Axel, yeah that sucks. I've been to Straddie a couple of times, Fraser a few more times, but the cost of Moreton has prevented us from visiting. With the cost of living for this family of four it will be a long time before we get over there.
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Reply By: Crackles - Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 17:18

Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 17:18
Come to Victoria and visit our National Parks. 99% of the Alpine Nat Park is free as are the Big & Little Deserts. Most of those that do charge are because of heavy use or a fragile environment but in general are of a reasonable cost with good services............ closer to the way National Parks should be run. How long it will last who knows.
Cheers Craig.............
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