X-Trail 2nd Car Advice Please

Submitted: Monday, Nov 26, 2007 at 23:13
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Hi all, we are looking at replacing our 3 year old Civic for an X-Trail. Partner now has a work vehicle (Jeep) which means that the much loved Hilux with many happy memories attached to it is now up for sale. This poses a problem for the female half of this relationship (me). I love the freedom of being able to take the Hilux to get away for weekend with the girls when he's away, now that he has a company car I cannot nick off on the weekend with it on my own. So, the Civic will be replaced with something slightly more capable. We are not looking for a big 4WD as that would be overkill for what we girls would do. No serious 4WDing, just lots of dirt roads with some ruts etc. Certainly nothing like we would have done in the Hilux. We also need much more cargo space than the Civic allows for. So.... after some research the x-trail seems to be coming up trumps but I am after feedback and advice. Safety and fuel economy are the biggest concern (I wish they would bring the diesel version out here). I have been comparing the RAV, CRV, X-Trail and Outlander but open to other suggestions. Please advise????...
Many thanks in advance.
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Reply By: 96 GXL 80 series - Monday, Nov 26, 2007 at 23:20

Monday, Nov 26, 2007 at 23:20
What about the 200kw Toyota Rav V6, at 200klms per hour, you would be gone and back before the other 1/2 new about it.

Cheers and good luck.
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Follow Up By: HowdyDoody - Monday, Nov 26, 2007 at 23:28

Monday, Nov 26, 2007 at 23:28
I had the RAV as a rental car on a recent trip to Adelaide and it was very good to drive - although there were no dirt roads so I have no idea what it is like on slippery gravel (I know that the driver tends to control how safe you are on gravel but I like to know that the car I'm driving will be capable for peace of mind). Friends of ours also have a RAV and think it is great (but they don't go off the bitumen). I have heard lots of great feebback about the xtrail and there seems to be buckets of them on the road. Do you have any experience with the RAV?
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Reply By: Gerhardp1 - Monday, Nov 26, 2007 at 23:47

Monday, Nov 26, 2007 at 23:47
You could have a look at the Kia Sorento 2.5l diesel, which has low range, a nice engine, drives well, and is well built. Fuel economy around 9.0l/100

Definately more capable than the Civic, Xtrail, Outlander and Rav4, and starts from $35000.

Early next year there will be a Suzuki Grand Vitara 1.9l diesel in manual only, which is also a proper 4Wd with low range. A size down from the Sorento and guessing the price would be from $32,000. Fule economy around 8.0l/100
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Follow Up By: HowdyDoody - Monday, Nov 26, 2007 at 23:57

Monday, Nov 26, 2007 at 23:57
Wow, the Suzuki sounds like it's worth a look. Will add it to the list for early next year. Thank you.
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Reply By: Willem - Monday, Nov 26, 2007 at 23:59

Monday, Nov 26, 2007 at 23:59
My wife bought a 2003 Xtrail because she liked the looks of it and as we live in the country we drive along quite a few grvel roads. She loves the little car to death....lol.

It is a very capable small vehicle, economical to run and powerful at the same time. I think that Nissan has sold over a million of them world wide and they are popular with all ages. The 'old' Xtrail has the speedo etc in the middle of the dashboard and this takes some getting used to. Our car had done 72,000km trouble free so far.

Another Member here on EO has 2 Xtrails in the family. Hopefully he will reply to your question as well

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Reply By: Kumunara (NT) - Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 at 07:26

Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 at 07:26
HowdyDoody


One of the in-laws has an x-trail and she loves it.

Went out to a fishing spot with her at Derby and the x-trail handed some 4WD conditions after it rained with ease.

I was most impressed by it's performance as we were driving on wet clay.



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Reply By: Kevndeb - Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 at 08:48

Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 at 08:48
My hubby and I brought a new pathfinder. Like you I did not want a big car. The prados were way out of our price range, as we wanted new. LC and Patrols were huge for me to take the kids to school and take mum shopping. The x-trail was bit small for us, we have three kids the oldest is 15, but size of a small giant. It is also a seven seats, which means we can all go out and take my parents on some trips with out having to take two cars.

We have turbo diesel and fill up every 538km, depending who is driving it, I do generally and I get 13.7/100km around town, hubby has got down to 12.7/100 but that was a freeway run/country run.

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Reply By: disco driver - Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 at 11:28

Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 at 11:28
Howdy,
Just to add to the list of potential purchases, don't overlook the Subaru Forester, sounds ideal for your purposes.
Constant AWD, plenty of room, 5 star crash rating, good economy, brilliant car to drive on gravel and wet tar, great price around $32k for auto (less for manual).

Well worth a thought.

Good luck,

Disco.
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 at 19:15

Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 at 19:15
Hi Howdy

Our research has always lead us to buy the RAV4's , the low loading height makes them great for shopping and sometimes we can fit things into it that won't go into our Patrol.

Did not like the current one because RAV's always had one great advantage which is that they are the only true geared constant 4wd in that size car, unlike Xtrails etc which are on demand.

The current shape Rav4 has gone on-demand as well which further reduces there 4wd capability in some areas.

Accordingly 1 year ago we got the very last of the previous model RAV4 , the third in a line.

Xtrails can be ok - but check them out throughly , some don't like the plastic mudguards etc.

Robin Miller
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 at 20:18

Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 at 20:18
Gday Robin,
Interesting thing about the new Xtrail is that it has traction control, hill descent control, etc as well as a CVT. Be interesting to try all that out on a few high Country tracks. I wonder what it would be like, but that stuff might raise its credentials.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 at 21:37

Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 at 21:37
I'd be very wary Phil , with no low range but now with 6 speeds it sounds ok but the reverse ratio is massively different from the forward.

Actually was offered to test one but cancelled out as pretty busy lately.

Don't know if the front panels are plastic like last but they are doing the classic bring the car out with the old engine to be followed in 2 years with the right engine.

I expect it will also have diesel option as well.

Most of these little cars are having all that stuff now but it wasn't long ago that I took the new suzi up a mild track and suspension travel limitations saw it make very hard work of it and overheated oil smell permeated the car.

Robin Miller
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 at 20:11

Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 at 20:11
As Willem said, we have 2 X-trails in the family - my wife has a near new 2007 STS auto, and my son and his wife have our previous vehicle a 2005 ST manual. We think the Xtrails are great.

I'm guessing you're buying new. We had a long hard look at the new model which as released a couple of months ago.

The latest model (called T31) looks the same as the previous Xtrails (T30) but has some big features: The auto is now a CVT (constant variable transmission) that drops fuel consumption from 9.8 to 9.3 l/100k. All models have traction control. All models have 6 airbags. All have cruise.

We were very tempted to get the latest, but settled on the previous T30 model because: its 90kg lighter; we did a deal that was $6k cheaper (bought a demo); we really like the centre dash and storage; the older model has less overhang, and is 6 inches shorter; we got mags and sunroof thrown in (ST-S)

We looked at some different vehicles. Got turned off the small diesels, because they are all high-tech, and our fuel is not good. We get 8.2 l/100k on every trip with our Xtrail, so I don't think a diesel would do much better. The Tucson City is only 2wd. The Forester sits too low to the ground. The CRV and RAV - we didn't like the look of them - too smooth. We also have a bias to Japanese made.

If you're wanting a used Xtrail, be aware of the following:
- Models up to Dec 2005 have 132Kw. after that they were detuned to 123Kw for emission reasons.
- the Series 2 came out in Nov 2003 - it has cruise control on all models, and rearranged dash.
- There were a couple of recalls. (1) Early series cat converters could crumble and bits got sucked back into the motor, causing oil consumption. (2) butterfly valves in the intake could work loose and screws fell out and get sucked into the motor - in the US, this was worth a recall in May 2005 - In Aus, no recall. (3) some minor thing with a fuel pipe rusting.

If you buy a 2005 model T30 II, you'll bypass the recalls and get the full 132Kw. But the 2006/2007 models are the best sorted.

Just go ahead, pick your coulour and buy one :-)))
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Follow Up By: HowdyDoody - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 09:05

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 09:05
Thanks Phil for your feedback. I kind of have my heart set on the xtrail but needed to be sure it was a good decision not just an emotional one. We will be looking at picking one up early in the new year. As I mentioned earlier, I have not heard a single xtrail owner complain about anything.
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Reply By: swampy66 - Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 at 23:19

Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 at 23:19
Howdy,

we bought our first x-trail in 2002.
we have averaged over 50,000km per year in them.
the one we currently have is a 2005 132kw one.
weve not had any trouble with any of them.

our original attraction to the x-trail
(in 2002) was the base model (ST) pretty much had what all the other cars called options. ie cruise,abs,traction control.

i get 500-550km per tank country driving for about 60litres.

i dont think were going to see a diesel x-trail in australia.

good luck
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