3 inch exhaust, first impressions

Submitted: Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 09:10
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Ok, I have an urge, pull the trigger and install 3” exhaust from turbo to end into my 1HZ 80 with DTS turbo.

First impression rather mixed. Actually they did very good job and even straitened a bit my exhaust by running it inside rail rather then factory outside setup.

I would not say that car start jumping from the line as V8 Commodore, but I definitely gained something. Although it does not appear that I gain much power, now it gets delivered in much smoother and easy manner.

Most noticeable is turbo behavior – before upgrade (it was 2.5” piece from turbo to flexible link and stock 2” after that) I really have to flog it to make 7+ PSI boost and it happens on 4-th or 5-th with some load like accelerating uphill. Now it came to 5-6 PSI very easy and very fast on 3-rd and on some extend on 2-nd. Cannot really judge how good is that – from one hand it obviously unleash some horses, but from another engine going to work harder from now on.

Another very subjective notice is that temperature of gases at exhaust tip appears to be a bit hotter. Again, cannot decide is it any good – probably it due to increased boost or due to bigger pipe (i.e. less area vs volume) and therefore hot gases going out without giving too much temperature to pipe. Hmmm… Probably I should stop relaying on boost and install pyro-sensor.

Now I am incredibly excited to test if it gets any influence on fuel consumption.

Conclusions? Too early. But now I have gut feelings that although original 2” setup definitely inadequate for turbo setup, 3”propably a bit overkill and it would be just nice with 2.5” and some extra dough in pocket.

Cheers
Serg
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 10:20

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 10:20
dont 1HZ's hate turbos and bleep themselves like Grenade patrols?

7psi - if you can, up it to 10psi, and you will be happier :)
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Reply By: splits - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 11:00

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 11:00
Serg

3 inches may or may not be overkill. I have no experience with turbo 1HZs so I don't know. The important thing to remember with exhausts is it is not a case of the bigger the better. Bigger can be great but too big will be a disaster.

There is a lot in the design of an exhaust system and the whole intake system has to come into the calculations but the major part is gas velocity. If this is correct then you will get a good scavenging effect inside the system that will assist in drawing the burnt gas out of the cylinders. If the gas comes out of the manifold and expands into pipes that are too big, the velocity will be reduced resulting in ineffective scavenging, reduced power and higher fuel consumption.

Brian
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Follow Up By: KSV. - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 11:16

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 11:16
Sorry, but IMHO it is not nearly the case with turbo when we have huge pressure in exhaust chamber (immediate before turbo) which by definition must be higher then boost. So with turbo there is no scavenger effect at all, thus here bigger is better. And in fact exhaust in turbo doing nothing to help engine to spin, but rather helps turbo.
My understanding anyway.
Cheers
Serg.
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Follow Up By: splits - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 13:40

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 13:40
You are probably right Serg, as I said I have not had much to do with turbos. I was reacting to you questioning the size of your exhaust and wondering if 2.5 inches would have been better.

If bigger is better with turbos then why are you worried about the 3 inch? It should be ok.

There would have to be some way of mathmatically calculating the ideal size of a turbo system. I have seen plenty of turbo competition cars where lack of space for large pipes was not an issue yet the pipes they were using did not look overly large.

Brian
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 13:56

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 13:56
Serg, think I am with you. Sooner or later the gas has to get to the wide, wide world. Less restriction to get there the better. Don't think we are dealing with gas velocities that race cars need, otherwise we would be into tuned length pipes and all.
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Follow Up By: KSV. - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 14:22

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 14:22
Brian,
I am not worry about performance side of 3”, but rather recon I could save some money using 2.5 with very close result, From 2 to 2.5 we have 56% increase, while from 2.5 to 3 “only” 44%. But I recon it would be better safe then sorry.
Cheers
Serg
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Reply By: Redback - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 11:30

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 11:30
If they are the same motor as the 100s poverty pack, then yes you'll have overheating problems, apparently an interclooler and thermo fan helps drop the exhaust temps.

Baz.
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