cutting old gas bottle

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know the danger of cutting old petrol drums, are there any of these problems when cutting old gas bottle to convert to bbq
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 17:20

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 17:20
Remove the valve, _fill_ with water, allow to stand for a few hours, empty water, cut away.

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Follow Up By: Red Frog - Vic - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 17:33

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 17:33
Any particular reason it needs to stand for a few hrs Mike ?
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 17:40

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 17:40
Nah, not really afaik - but you know what the "don't do anything without an inspection by a qualified engineer and a note from your mother" safety drones on this forum are like - I try to preempt them as much as possible.

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Follow Up By: Red Frog - Vic - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 17:55

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 17:55
lol, I know what you mean, some of them need to be put out to pasture.
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Follow Up By: Member - Crazy Dog (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 18:52

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 18:52
What do you mean Mike - Drones ... note from your Mother etc...on this forum.......

Please explain!!


Grrr!!!
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 19:05

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 19:05
Whatever do you mean... "please explain!!"?

Do you not understand my post?

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Follow Up By: Member - Crazy Dog (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 20:08

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 20:08
Hi Mike,

(robust debate nothing else ok!)

I just find the post a bit abrasive considering there are many people out there who genuinely do not have the knowledge to know the answer to questions like the one that originally started the thread.

I personally don't like being considered a drone (only the missus is allowed to call me that) because I don't know the answer or wish to get a cross section of views nor do I particularly like the inference that anyone who asks a sensible question is going to be humiliated on this forum just because they want to be sure.

Yes I agree that sometimes that it becomes a bit boring but hey that is just the way it is and veiled insults will not make it any better.

Sorry to get on my box - just my 2 bobs worth in defence of the DRONES of Australia...


Grrr!!!
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 20:41

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 20:41
>I just find the post a bit abrasive considering there are many
>people out there who genuinely do not have the knowledge to know
>the answer to questions like the one that originally started the
>thread.

You totally missed the thrust of my comment – it was not aimed at the OP at all.

I was referring to all the nancy boys on this forum who, every time something which _might_ have the possibility of the remotest element of danger, maybe, attached to it cannot resist posting to tell us all how irresponsible we are and that we should get “someone qualified” to do it for us – or, even better, tell us how stupid we are for even considering it in the first place.

This forum is, without doubt, the most pontificate I have come across on the internet for such pious people.

I hope that clarifies things.

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Follow Up By: Member - Crazy Dog (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 21:15

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 21:15
Yep - now I fully understand your point and I must say that I would agree.

Lance aka...
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 01:42

Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 01:42
"This forum is, without doubt, the most pontificate I have come across on the internet for such pious people."

I know exactly what you mean-there are ALL manner of "smart alecs" and "know-alls" on here.

But its the "self-rightous" who give most people the sh*ts
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 01:46

Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 01:46
But Mike Harding, you missed a step.

Rodney- if following our learned friend Mikes advice, make sure that the bottle is empty BEFORE trying to remove the valve.

See Mike, I have saved you the responsiblility of BLOWING UP Rodney thru following your advice!
signed- "self confessed know-all"
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 09:27

Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 09:27
'But its the "self-rightous" who give most people the sh*ts '

I think it has something to do with the forum demographic!

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Follow Up By: Red Frog - Vic - Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 11:47

Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 11:47
there's an old post on this site about the same subject which suggests to leave the water in the bottle while cutting.
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Follow Up By: Red Frog - Vic - Sunday, Dec 02, 2007 at 15:48

Sunday, Dec 02, 2007 at 15:48
I can't get the valve off to fill the damn thing with water, stuck on the first step.

Is that valve assembly a left or right handed thread ? maybe it has some locktight type hardener on the thread and done up by a 10 ton gorilla
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Follow Up By: Member - Ed. C. (QLD) - Monday, Dec 03, 2007 at 00:13

Monday, Dec 03, 2007 at 00:13
Red Frog, the thread is 3/4" BSP pipe thread (RH)..

There certainly is a sealant in there, and as you've found out, it's good sh$t! (and rightly so), and yes, the ones that I've removed had been done up bl@@dy tight!! (and rightly so;-))...
The biggest problem I found with gettin' the valve out is actually holding the cylinder so it doesn't turn (as I'm sure you're aware;-))..

The last time I did it, I think a tyre lever (or similar) through the collar & a 24" shifter did the trick;-))

Propane is heavier than air, so once the valve is removed, simply stand the cyl upside down for a while (preferably in an elevated, well ventilated position), and any remaining gas will literally "fall out"... you can then do "the water thing" just to be sure, to be sure;-))

Have fun;-)

Confucius say.....
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....Not necessarily mechanic!!"

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Follow Up By: Red Frog - Vic - Monday, Dec 03, 2007 at 00:24

Monday, Dec 03, 2007 at 00:24
Great, thanks very much Ed, I appreciate the info, wasn't sure if I was going the correct way or not. I'll take it to the toolroom at work for the boys the work on I think.
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Reply By: Red Frog - Vic - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 17:34

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 17:34
How does one make a bbq from an old gas bottle please ?
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 18:07

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 18:07
Well, first of all, you remove the valve and fill the cylinder with water.
Stand for a few hours, then drain the water and cut the top off.......:-)

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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 18:11

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 18:11
Sorry there mate....

Here's a link...

Breaden Stove
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Follow Up By: Red Frog - Vic - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 19:33

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 19:33
Thank you.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 13:28

Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 13:28
to make a barbecue from a gas bottle, first fill the bottle, then dril a 4mm hole in the top. Withdraw drill and light the stuff coming out. Point the yellow bit at your sausage.
When finished, screw a selftapper into the hole til your next barbecue.
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Follow Up By: Red Frog - Vic - Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 15:27

Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 15:27
Hey fisho, heat regulation left a lot to be desired but it's amazing how the smell off a bbq brings all the neighbours around.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 17:48

Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 17:48
"how the smell off a bbq brings all the neighbours around."

true but doing it my way cuts down the blowins to only the hardcore and desperate!
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Follow Up By: Red Frog - Vic - Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 19:36

Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 19:36
They must have been good people coming to see if an ambulance or fire fighters were required, I think your instuctions need some fine tuning.
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Reply By: Mr Fawlty - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 18:39

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 18:39
Yep, hose out with water and cut away. A mate & I used to make slow combustion stoves out of the large ones that are used to refill bottles at servos... every time you took a grinder to them they stunk of "odourant" the stuff they put in to maker LPG smell...
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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 19:15

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 19:15
Gday,
To answer your question...Yes the same issuses as cutting a fuel drum..
Be bloody careful and when you think you have degassed it....do it again!

Cheers
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Reply By: splits - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 20:17

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 20:17
Those BBQs are great. I first saw one in use a few years while camping beside a Tassie lake. A man rolled in in a mega dollar motor home that must have had every possible cooking appliance inside it yet he pulled out this old home made gas bottle oven and proceeded to cook a beautiful roast chicken and vegetables in it.

I measured and photgaphed it and made my own quite easily.

I noticed the one shown on Barry Breaden's site uses a length of open exhaust pipe for a chimney. The Tassie one had a larger diameter pipe with a "throttle valve" type of disc in it to control the air flow. I found an old Falcon driveshaft that I happened to have lying around was the right diameter (67 mm inside) so I used that. It was a simple matter to cut a disc out of sheet metal and pivot it on a piece of 6 mm steel rod split with a hacksaw.

I have another bottle and intend making one with a gas burner ring in the bottom and a non cumbustable insulating tea cosy style of cover to slip over it. I am hoping I can get it going with a very small flame and minimal gas consumption, yet still have a very hot oven inside. That is the theory anyway.

I prefer to use a fire but this one should work well on fire restriction days.

Brian

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Follow Up By: disco1942 - Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 14:18

Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 14:18
"I prefer to use a fire but this one should work well on fire restriction days."

I think this still constitutes an open fire in NSW

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Reply By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 21:15

Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 21:15
I can only say ............. BE CAREFUL yes you can hose it out however there still MAYBE some residue of LPG which if hit with a grinder will give you a moment of shear excitement.

Yake the valve group outn and wash, long stick with lit match over open end of cylinder if theres any gas inside it will ignite and after that will be fine. I would do outside of the house lol

As for being possibly called a safety drone ........... bleep YEAH I can live with that.

I intend on making a BBQ with a gas cylinder and thats my approach.

In the end your call which way you do it decide :)

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Reply By: splits - Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 00:04

Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 00:04
Just as a follow up to that last post: all I did with the bottle was leave it upside down out in the sun and kept blowing it out with compressed air every half an hour or so for a couple of hours while I was doing other things. The thing with LPG is it is present in the bottle in liquid form but it only remains a liquid while it is under pressure in a sealed container or below minus 42 degrees C. The moment the valve is left open until the gas stops coming out or it is removed completely, then the bottle is not sealed anymore and any remaining traces of liquid gas will vaporise. It can't not vaporise under those conditions. With the bottle upside down, any of the heavier than air vapour that might be left in the bottle will fall out and the compressed air just makes sure of it.

The smell of gas is not a true indication of the presence of gas. I noticed for many weeks after cutting and welding my bottle, I could still smell it as I walked past it in the garage. The smell comes from the additive that makes the normally odourless gas detectable.

This method does not apply to petrol tanks. If you can smell petrol then there is petrol present. I cut a Commodore tank in half recently. I drained it, opened every opening in it and once again left in the sun. I could easily smell petrol around it. I put compressed air through it everytime I thought of it for a couple of days and each time I noticed the petrol smell was diminishing. It eventually reached the stage where I could not smell anything. No smell means no petrol so I was able to cut it with a grinder without any problems.

I had plenty of time on my hands then but if I had to drain and cut it immediately then I would have blown it out a few times at about fifteen minute intervals and cut it while it was almost completly filled with water.

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Follow Up By: AdlelaideGeorge - Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 07:47

Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 07:47
Hi Brian - you appear to really know what you're talking about... you undoubtably qualify for the "Nancy boy" of the week award!...........(see Mike Hardings charming post 7 above).

Happy days

George
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Follow Up By: splits - Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 09:09

Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 09:09
Have I done something wrong George? I thought I was attempting to answer the original question. My answers were based on knowledge gained from holding a licence to work with LPG as well as another one issued by the WA Mines Dept to carry out surface blasting. I would not come onto a public forum and talk about explosive substances with some formal training on the subject.

The methods I used were backyard stuff but I know some people reading this thread are going to attempt to make a gas bottle BBQ and they will do it themselves in their backyard regardless of how many warnings get posted. What I suggested is easy to do and it will work.

How does this qualify me for an award that suggests I am effeminate and a homosexual?

Brian

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Follow Up By: AdlelaideGeorge - Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 10:24

Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 10:24
you don't - quite the contrary - my sarcasm was obviously lost in the 'translation'. I was criticising the outrageous post by Mike Harding and his reference to 'Nancy boys' above at follow up 7.

Happy days
George

[Of course on the other hand (as I'm sure Mike would agree) 'there's nothing wrong with that'-with thanks to Seinfeld]
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 19:42

Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 19:42
Oh George... you have a problem, I seem to rouse a few of you people - try to relax a little more - this irrational anger is not good for you....

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Follow Up By: AdlelaideGeorge - Friday, Nov 30, 2007 at 08:26

Friday, Nov 30, 2007 at 08:26
...oh Mike..."you people" - you promote gun use/ownership...you are demonstrably homophobic (read the definition) and you say I have a problem??? I am irrationally angry???

ha ha

Happy days

George
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Friday, Nov 30, 2007 at 10:26

Friday, Nov 30, 2007 at 10:26
I didn't realise you were gay George - no problem mate. I have two good friend who are into their 17th year of living together now and they're very happy. Don't let it stress you George, you be proud of the person you are.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: AdlelaideGeorge - Friday, Nov 30, 2007 at 17:03

Friday, Nov 30, 2007 at 17:03
STILL being judgmental mike - when will you stop!! Nobody cares what you think - tell you this though-it's usually homophobic guys on power trips (must have their weapons around) that are deeply troubled about their orientation!! Get some counselling Mike you'll see I'm right-you'll be a better person for it.

Happy days

George
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Friday, Nov 30, 2007 at 17:35

Friday, Nov 30, 2007 at 17:35
I'll do as you suggest George... do you think it will help me get over the thing with goats?

Mike Harding

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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 04:03

Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 04:03
AdlelaideGeorge

whats the connection between homophobic and gun use? No fan of Harding but shooters are NOT murderers any more than 4wd owners are enviro vandals or paedofiles etc.

direct your anger/insults a little better if you dont mind thanks.
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Reply By: flappa - Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 09:33

Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 09:33
Nup , no problems.

Here is mine



Left the valve open for a few days. Washed it out.

Cut
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Reply By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 23:17

Thursday, Nov 29, 2007 at 23:17
The only reason I say to be careful is simple ........ my mate did the wash out thing for ages let it stand upside etc etc next day hooked up the grinder but decided to light a match over the opening of the cylinder ........ well as he put it, it was over in a whooosh and a FLASH.

As he said if he started with the grinder and it ingited then the flash would partly be directed at him.

Why it flashed, don't know could be a number of reasons so I just say be careful is all, easier to be safe than sorry.

He made a couple for his place and uses his camp ovens in them. I intend on making a couple for my place as well.

Mind you I laughed big time when he told me about it .... what are mates for :)

Brian

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