Two Batteries again

Submitted: Friday, Nov 30, 2007 at 09:56
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This follows on from my previous 52104. Thanks for the questions and comments.

I agree 100% with need to run accessories etc from aux battery and will change set up in near future. I guess the point I was trying to make is that you need to pay far greater attention to battery state and survival plan than I had. AND if you get into such a predicament, to know the right way out.

As I had been on the road continuously for some 6 months using the same practices, I simply did not expect the draw from standard interior lights, radio (whoops also ipod and UHF!) would have such an effect over 4-5 days.
Luckily I had that 75 series nearby who started me easily.

I was not carrying a means of checking charge/battery state either. So multi meter is coming along in future too.
QUESTION
I'm wondering - now the vehicle is used in city without any draw on aux deep cycle battery, is there any harm in leaving the 130w solar power panels connected to it?

Best regards

Chris
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Friday, Nov 30, 2007 at 10:17

Friday, Nov 30, 2007 at 10:17
It’s surprising how much power we can use over a few days, the lamps used in most interior lights are 6W iirc so two of those consumes 1 amp per hour and if left on over a 24 hour period will take 24Ah out of the battery – a significant amount of energy to remove from a starting battery.

I have a rule that the interior light is switched to the “always off” position when I go bush in order to prevent me leaving it on by accident.

In regard to leaving the panel connected; if you have a smart charger/interface between the panel and the battery all will be well otherwise the panel will, probably, overcharge the battery and shorten it’s life. Careful no one pinches the panel in the city too!

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris R (NSW) - Friday, Nov 30, 2007 at 15:28

Friday, Nov 30, 2007 at 15:28
Thanks Mike
I think they are on the top for keeps. Came up with one of those 'oh so good' in-front-of-the-TV designs that had me in agony trying to get to the various bolts that connect it to the roof rack via its stainless steel frame. Think I over did it re security.

Thanks for advice re leaving it connected.

Cheers

Chris
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Reply By: Member - Mainey (wa) - Friday, Nov 30, 2007 at 12:57

Friday, Nov 30, 2007 at 12:57
The 130 Watt solar panels are obviously regulated ??
So there's no problem powering the Aux battery system 24/7.

However, the Dual battery isolator system ALSO charges the Auxiliary battery system, so the Solar system in of little importance, because as you say there's no charge taken from the Auxiliary battery system, so no real or perceived benefit leaving them attached.


The point AGAINST having them attached far out weighs them being there...

Some one else may decide they want them :-(((



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Follow Up By: Member - Chris R (NSW) - Friday, Nov 30, 2007 at 15:36

Friday, Nov 30, 2007 at 15:36
Thanks for your advice Mainey

Too hard and too high to get off for an old bloke. Yep regulated.

Just thinking out loud--- it'd be good to have a member driven advisory note on setting up and using dual battery systems - as well as solar aspects, testing and analysis, and recovery from nasty situations.

I pretty much got into my predicament because I had the dual battery and solar fitted immediately before going on the big trip. Gave only scant thought to where the power was coming from - and had no advice re practical limits.

Cheers

Chris
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Follow Up By: Member - Mainey (wa) - Monday, Dec 03, 2007 at 11:49

Monday, Dec 03, 2007 at 11:49
Bering 'regulated' you can now leave a light 'on' or better still put a fridge in there running at +4 degrees and the panel (and Alternator too) will keep the Aux batteries fully charged and maintain the fridge temp, ready for the shopping, when you need to replace some...
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Reply By: chocolate teapot - Friday, Nov 30, 2007 at 18:11

Friday, Nov 30, 2007 at 18:11
Hi chris

I have panels permanently connected through a regulator to my aux batteries on my truck - no problems - the panels are bolted to the roof.

The panels work well in conjuction with the alternator without trouble - no need to disconnect.

The two battery banks are connected with a redarc smart solenoid to protect the starting set from discharge - if you dont already have one fitted I would recommend that you fit a smart solenoid - doesnt matter which brand but I have had good service - 4 years so far from a redarc.

So that the starting set is always charged when the truck is standing in the yard for long periods I have three diodes conencted in parallel in a thickish lead between the aux bank & the starting bank positives - the solar panels keep the cranking set topped up as well (of course with a voltage drop for the diodes) - but they are never flat. The diodes are oriented to allow current to flow from the aux battery to the starting battery and not the reverse. The diodes are just the highest amperage schotkys (sp) I could get from Jaycar abt 8 amps I think. The negatives of the two batteries are also joined.

By the way a multi meter wont tell you much about the state of your battery as the difference between a fully charged and rested battery and one that is flat and rested is about a volt - good luck.

Hope this helps



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Follow Up By: Gronk - Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 01:30

Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 01:30
A multimeter won't tell you much????? Only a volt ????

A digital meter will show the diff between 12.8 and 12.2 V which is a lot of difference and which means everything to a person who wants to keep a check on their batt status..

Charged AGM...12.9V.........rested...12.8V.....running a fridge....12.5V......fridge off....back up to 12.6-12.7V

2 days running lights and fridge....rested..12.4V....running fridge.....12.0V...fridge off....12.3V

Agreed, a multimeter is not the perfect solution, but does a fairly good job of looking after your batts if you want to take the time to use it !!!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris R (NSW) - Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 13:52

Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 13:52
Thanks CT and Gronk

Much appreciated advice

Chris
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