Landruiser 200 review
Submitted: Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 18:08
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Outbacktourer
Got my 4X4 Australia in the mail yesterday with the full test of the 200.
In spite of the "King Cruiser" and "Mammoth Gain" headlines, the conclusion says this:
"The 200 series is somewhat disappointing, particularly the high price of VX and Sahara models. Alongside direct competitors that offer height adjustable air
suspension, elec. controlled diff locks, HID lights, auto headlights and wipers, trailer recognition VSC and fold away third row seats the 200 equipment list looks underdone. The GXL persists without height adjustable front seats, the only 70-80 grand vehicle in the market without this essential feature. However from the fit and finish point of view the new Toyota is as good as it gets in the 4X4 arena and dynamically it's one of the best 4X4 wagons in the world, on and off road".
Damning with faint praise methinks. Best fit and finish, ONE of the best dynamically, is that all? Oh dear!
Elsewhere they say most testers thought the 100 looked "pretty good" next to it, ouch!
They also cop a swipe for not making KDSS standard on the Diesel GXL (expected to be the most popular), and point out the lack of sub tanks on the VX and Sahara.
OT
Reply By: Andrew(WA) - Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 18:12
Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 18:12
I feel really good now about the 100series TD I just bought!
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Follow Up By: Bazz - Sunday, Dec 02, 2007 at 22:56
Sunday, Dec 02, 2007 at 22:56
Went in for a drive of the new 200 series V8 GXL, nice car,( my previous car was a 2005 V8 GXL).
Salesman told me how good it was etc, then told me the price,($75,000) picked myself up off the ground.Told him my car when purchased was $55,000 in 2005. Told him "He was Dreamin" and went and bought another 100 series , 2007 V8 GXL with 2800 klm on the clock,and saved myself a heap of money.
Great cars Overpriced.
Bazz.
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Follow Up By: Off-track - Monday, Dec 03, 2007 at 00:12
Monday, Dec 03, 2007 at 00:12
Same for me Andrew. I waited out to see what the 200TD was like but decided to buy a 100TD coupla weeks ago. More than happy especially since I wanted a manual which is not possible with the 200.
Was hard enough to justify the cost of the 100TD over our 80 let alone the extra margin for the 200TD.
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Follow Up By: Andrew(WA) - Monday, Dec 03, 2007 at 00:19
Monday, Dec 03, 2007 at 00:19
Yeah, way to go.
The thought of taking my 100 off road scares me enough after parting with the quids...imagine taking the new 200TD bush after forking 100k on road! that's a really getting to be a rich mans game and good luck to all those lucky enough to be in the game!
I'll have to wait until the 200's about 5 years old or more...unless lotto intervenes...which I know it will...of course!
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Reply By: Member - Alan H (Narangba QLD - Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 19:04
Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 19:04
I'd trust opinions ov owers on this
forum a long long long while before I believe anything in a 4x4 mag
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Reply By: vuduguru - Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 21:38
Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 21:38
Yay! my 100's just regained 5 of 10 it was losing in resale.
But seriously Toyota should get off their high horse! The 100 so good I paid out the residual and I expect another 5 years of solid service ( goes in for a 100K service and new
suspension Tuesday). I'm not one to upgrade just for the sake of it as much as I like saying Twin Turbo diesel V8 I'm not convinced.
From another point I have been hearing a lack of availability (waited 3 months for the 100 in '03) and talk of suspending sales of the 200TD due to Oz's crap diesel.
And the yanks get the 5.7 vvti and we are asked to carry on with the 4.7 (with vvti). Toyota's marketing is about to bite them on the ass..., sorrry arse.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Sunday, Dec 02, 2007 at 09:41
Sunday, Dec 02, 2007 at 09:41
I dont think any toyota has lost much in resale if any with a new model out.
80 seies are starting to drop in value a bit now but thats got more to do with the youngest ones being nearly 10 years old.
i dont expect the 79 series Td drop in value now the tdv8 is out
i wish they would then i could afford one but im not holding my breath
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Reply By: Outbacktourer - Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 22:41
Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 22:41
Toyota make decent trucks but are an even better marketing company.
In order to keep development costs down they have grafted a Tundra front end onto a 100 rear end and whacked on a body that looks like the Kluger. The change from torsion to coil over front is incidental, they just needed to get rid of the straight 6 legacy since the V8's are the only ones emissions compliant and the
suspension came with the rest.
Anyone who wants to know how it works should recall what happened when they brought in the 80 and the 100. Carry over engines where possible and premium pricing. Good stuff comes later after low hanging fruit is picked.
Don't get me wrong, love the trucks but you always get fleeced jumping early with a new cruiser.
OT
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Follow Up By: happytravelers - Sunday, Dec 02, 2007 at 08:27
Sunday, Dec 02, 2007 at 08:27
Agree, what ever make, it's always wise to buy the last of the old model over the first of the new model, usually the bugs have all been ironed out.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Sunday, Dec 02, 2007 at 09:43
Sunday, Dec 02, 2007 at 09:43
Well it works i heard theTMC is virtually printing money ATM far cry from other struggling manafacurers
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Follow Up By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Sunday, Dec 02, 2007 at 17:46
Sunday, Dec 02, 2007 at 17:46
Toyota first stuck with the 4.5 petrol 6 in the 100 series, even tho they had a V8 with a $20000 premium. When Nissan brought out the 4.8L, the old 4.5 Tojo engine looked a bit breathless, so they dropped it, made the V8 standard, and overnight dropped the price $20,000. So the prices charged don't reflect the manufacturing cost, just what the market will bear.
Suspect similar with the V8 diesel. Nissan better come out with a decent replacement for their 4.2 diesel so Tojo buyers can afford a 200-series diesel!
cheers,
Gerry
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