low battery voltage device
Submitted: Tuesday, Dec 04, 2007 at 23:06
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Member - peter C (VIC)
what can i use to ensure my battery for fridge and for trolling motor [not at the same time] does not fall below 10.5v or thereabouts? i am using an agm type battery peter
Reply By: Member - bungarra (WA) - Tuesday, Dec 04, 2007 at 23:22
Tuesday, Dec 04, 2007 at 23:22
plenty of low voltage cut out devices available.... redarc is one with a good web site but there are plenty of others.....there are plenty of battery management systems...some over the top ..some basic but functional.......
battery type eg AGM cranking etc not really relevant as far as LV cut out device other than the fact that cranking batteries dont like being discharged....AGM are more tolerant
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Reply By: Gronk - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 00:51
Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 00:51
I don't let my agm's fall below 12V !!!!!
A voltmeter is probably the cheapest way ( and learn how to interpret it under load )
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val W (ACT) - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 07:46
Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 07:46
I agree with Gronk, though I reckon 11.6V is the limit. If you routinely go down to 10.5V, battery life will be much reduced, especially if it's not recharged soon after. For around $10 you can buy a cheap multimeter - use it frequently to get a good idea of just when your battery starts to go down fast - that's your end point. All measuements should be made with the battery under load.
HTH
John
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 10:20
Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 10:20
Agree with 11.6V, but 12V is my limit where I decide to keep running the fridge ( very high priority with beer in it ) or look to move
camp to get some charge into the batts..( solar panels are on the agenda, but for the money, will I get the use out of them )
My batts will last for approx 4 full days, but so far I haven't been anywhere for more than 3 days yet without moving ( or without power )
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Reply By: Member - Barnesy (SA) - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 02:16
Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 02:16
My inverter has a low voltage cut out. Whenever the battery gets too flat the inverter cuts power and beeps.
Other than that get a voltmeter, $20 from auto
shop.
Barnesy
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 08:15
Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 08:15
Most low voltage cutouts can only handle a max of 10amps. I suspect your motor will use more than that.
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Follow Up By: traveller2 - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 08:25
Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 08:25
If the low voltage cutout can't handle the current can you use it to switch a relay/solenoid that can?
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 15:53
Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 15:53
You can use a relay or solenoid, but wasting power might become an issue.
Most low voltage cutouts use between 10 and 30 milliamps continuously. Hook it up to a bigger relay (say Jaycar SY4073 which uses 240mA), and you can add 6 amphours per day just to energise the relay. There might be ways around this, but I haven't really bothered looking into it.
Eyeballing a digital voltmeter is what I'd be doing.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 09:58
Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 09:58
Oatley Electronics sell a kit for a Low-voltage cutout for $20 which can handle eighty (80) amp loads and draws zero current when on or off.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 18:32
Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 18:32
Thanks for the link Mike - that kit looks perfect.
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Reply By: Member - peter C (VIC) - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 10:31
Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 10:31
thanks for help.i have multimeters etc and do use them but was looking for foolproof device for when sons in law etc use my boat peter
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Reply By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 14:25
Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 14:25
Hi Peter
I agree with others that a voltmeter is essential.
If you need a high current option the use the automatic cut out with a solenoid.
These cut off at 11.2V and reconnect at 12.5V.
Regards
Derek.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 15:58
Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 15:58
Gday Derek,
Does the solenoid need to be energised continuously? If so, how much power would the solenoid coil consume?
Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 17:30
Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 17:30
Hi Phil
Yes the 100A solenoids draw 0.6 amps.
You could use a 30A relay at 0.1 amp or wire 2 in parallel at 0.2 amps.
Do you know what the load of the trolling motor is ?
Regards
Derek.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 18:30
Wednesday, Dec 05, 2007 at 18:30
Thanks for that Derek.
Trolling motor - theres one sold at Whitworths that draws 12.5amps max.
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Reply By: mikeyandmary - Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 13:04
Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 13:04
We use one a low voltage cutout to control a 70 amp relay. Sort of similar to the bits Derek showed above.
I haven't checked how much power is drawn by the relays.
We have used this setup for a couple of years now to power the fridge, lights, laptop and phone chargers etc.
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 14:49
Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 14:49
Actually the price of the Oatley Electronics low-voltage cutout kit has risen to $22.
It can handle eighty amp loads and draws only one twenty-thousandths of an amp when the load is on or off.
Oatley Low-voltage Cutout Kit
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Follow Up By: SCUBADOO - Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 16:47
Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 16:47
Mike
I purchased two kits last week and they are brilliant. They use a latching 80A relay that draw NO current after being pulsed on/off. I even bought an extra relay for about $9.
Nev
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 18:37
Thursday, Dec 06, 2007 at 18:37
Peter, I have a low voltage cut out on the main fridge (built in). The fridge controller also has a digital voltmeter built in. I use the volt meter all the time. Have only run the batteries down to cut out once and avoid it like the plague since.
Nothing beats monitoring battery state yourself.
As for the trolling motor, I just use a rule of thumb. I use a 90 AH AGM on a 55 lb thrust Minn Kota (with the battery maximizer technology built in). Based on experience, I get about 2.5 to 3 hours of run time, for about 40 AH of power. I simply base this on the time it takes my 25 Amp charger to recharge the battery after a fishing trip (never much more than 90 mins - generally a lot less). Even being on the
water for 6 or 7 hours, we don't use the electric for more than 2.5 to 3 hours. I charge after every use.
At full speed these motors draw close to 50 Amps. So if you wanted a battery monitor it would need to be one of the high current ones.
Norm C
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