Landcruiser Turbo Diesel

Submitted: Friday, Dec 07, 2007 at 16:49
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Hi,
I have just my old 1985 60 series standard diesel wagon and purchased a HJ61 Turbo diesel Sahara (1988 model). The thing that I have noticed is that the new one runs a lot hotter - I know turbos are hotter but the temp gauge is just below the red line cruising at 100kph on the highway. Is this normal? Do I need to install an intercooler? Would that help. I have a 2700kg caravan to tow around Australia but it seems to be just coping temp wise on its own. It has a hefty bull bar that may be reducing air flow a little.
Has anyone had this experience and is it normal or is there someting I can do. Any suggestions will be appreciated.
Thanks,
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Reply By: mfewster - Friday, Dec 07, 2007 at 17:15

Friday, Dec 07, 2007 at 17:15
I have a 1985 turbo diesel Toyo and it runs considerably cooler than that. Don't know about an intercooler, but I'd be checking the condition of the radiator as a starter.
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Reply By: PeterInSA - Friday, Dec 07, 2007 at 17:26

Friday, Dec 07, 2007 at 17:26
GP,
I have a HJ61 Turbo Diesel GX manual pulling a 21'6" 2450KG ATM van. Around town the temperature gauge is on 1/4, pulling the van at around 95Kph no wind flat roads/slightly undulating outside temperature around 25deg, temperature gauge still on 1/4.

Increase speed to 105Kph same conditions temp gauge goes to 1/2. ( No van, max speed limit still on 1/4)

Suggest you do not use biodiesel, more fuel, more revs, higher temperature. I would get the radiator cleaned out, and check the theromstat. If you have an automatic I would install another Transcooler in series with the original.

Suggest you watch your weight my HJ61 can pull 2500kg ATM. I do not know about the Sahara. Your 85, 60 series could well of had a Haymen Reece Towbar with 3400Kg stamped on it, with ball weight of 340Kgs, but things have changed in the Interim.

Peter
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Follow Up By: Geepeem - Friday, Dec 07, 2007 at 17:57

Friday, Dec 07, 2007 at 17:57
Hi Peter,
Thanks for the comments. According to a sticker on the back of the Sahara it says max ball weight 350kg. My caravan's Gross Trailer mass is 2550kg and Aggregate Trailer Mass of 2700kg. Someone told me the difference between these two is the tow ball pressure (150kg in my case). I am not aware of what the max tow weight for the HJ61 series is but will need to find out if my van is within the legal limits. Good advice, Thanks
Geepeem
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Friday, Dec 07, 2007 at 18:23

Friday, Dec 07, 2007 at 18:23
Geepeem, Who ever told you that knows stuff all about weights and drawbar loads.Those terms do not make sense
To spell it out for you:-
Nett Trailer Mass is the weight of your trailer/Van empty.
Aggregate/Gross trailer mass is the total weight allowed. This is your van AND all the stuff you put into it.

Looking at those figures it does not sound right, most vans generally allow about 350-400kg for clothes, food, etc.
It may pay you to contact the manufacturer re nett weight and even then it may be be worth putting the empty van over a registered weighbridge to get a correct nett weight and again fully loaded for an aggregate weight..

Sorry this is so longwinded but it's important to get it right. Insurance companies don't need much to negate your policies.

Disco.
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Follow Up By: Geepeem - Saturday, Dec 08, 2007 at 07:31

Saturday, Dec 08, 2007 at 07:31
Thanks Disco,
The weights mentioned GTM and ATM are on the manufacturers plate on the chassis. I have no reason to doubt them. I was only asking if you can correctly determine the towball weight as the difference between them as someone told me. If vehicle manufacturers say for example the max tow ball weight is 350kg how do you determine what that is on your caravan. It is not something stamped on the plate of the caravan. With our van being a modern design the tandem wheels are set back towards rear of van - so the weight on the tow ball would be substantial. Thanks for your comments anyway. Cheers GPM
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Follow Up By: Geepeem - Saturday, Dec 08, 2007 at 07:32

Saturday, Dec 08, 2007 at 07:32
Thanks Disco,
The weights mentioned GTM and ATM are on the manufacturers plate on the chassis. I have no reason to doubt them. I was only asking if you can correctly determine the towball weight as the difference between them as someone told me. If vehicle manufacturers say for example the max tow ball weight is 350kg how do you determine what that is on your caravan. It is not something stamped on the plate of the caravan. With our van being a modern design the tandem wheels are set back towards rear of van - so the weight on the tow ball would be substantial. Thanks for your comments anyway. Cheers GPM
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Reply By: Member - Borgy.. (SA) - Friday, Dec 07, 2007 at 17:27

Friday, Dec 07, 2007 at 17:27
G'day Geepem

I think first thing i would do is get the radiator checked , temp gauge just below the red line dont sound to normal to me ...


Cheers......Dave
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Reply By: PeterInSA - Friday, Dec 07, 2007 at 17:28

Friday, Dec 07, 2007 at 17:28
GP,
Further to the above, Mine is a 1988 year as well

Peter
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Reply By: Gerhardp1 - Friday, Dec 07, 2007 at 17:32

Friday, Dec 07, 2007 at 17:32
Don't overlook the other obvious points - it could be your temperature sender or the guage itself.

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Follow Up By: KSV. - Friday, Dec 07, 2007 at 17:36

Friday, Dec 07, 2007 at 17:36
Yep, first of all I would check temperature by trustable means.

Chers
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Reply By: F4Phantom - Friday, Dec 07, 2007 at 18:11

Friday, Dec 07, 2007 at 18:11
A cheap way of fixing the problem is to get a can of black spray paint and spray the lens of the temp guage, this will make you feel much better and permenatly elliminate any further problems.
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Reply By: Davo_60 - Friday, Dec 07, 2007 at 20:59

Friday, Dec 07, 2007 at 20:59
Hello,

I would look at the entire cooling system starting with the cheapest bits first. The temp sender can get sensitive with age also and I would consider fitting an aftermarket gauge to be sure. If it is auto I would recommend fitting and extreme valve body from wholesale automatics in Melbourne. I have no affiliation with the company but I bought a valve body from them and had it fitted. Shifts much better but still quite smooth and has a lock up on 3rd gear which cuts in at about 75km/h. Revs drop about 400rpm when it locks up and the thing takes off. Has transformed the vehicle and would be ideal for towing. I don't tow but just wanted the lock up on third. The catch is that it costs about a grand fitted but is the best money I have spent on it. Anyway good luck, temp problems are not uncommon on these but easily fixed.

Cheers,
Dave
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Follow Up By: Geepeem - Saturday, Dec 08, 2007 at 07:43

Saturday, Dec 08, 2007 at 07:43
Thanks Dave,
I forgot to mention mine is a 5 speed manual.

Cheers
GPM
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Follow Up By: Shane (QLD) - Saturday, Dec 08, 2007 at 07:54

Saturday, Dec 08, 2007 at 07:54
I agree with Davo in regard to the Temp Sender ! I spent heaps on my 60 Series Turbo only to find it was the Sender. Now it busts it guts to get to a 1/4 on the gauge on the hotest of days. Mine is a 5 speed manual with aftermarket Turbo. (2H not 12HT).
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Reply By: Dave B (NSW) - Friday, Dec 07, 2007 at 23:35

Friday, Dec 07, 2007 at 23:35
GP, my 86 HJ61 never gets over 1/4 on the gauge, even when towing my CT.
I have heard of the temp gauges going a bit haywire occasionally though.
But I would get the radiator cleaned and checked, it's nearly 20 years old, and after it's done you will have peace of mind about it.

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Reply By: obee - Saturday, Dec 08, 2007 at 09:10

Saturday, Dec 08, 2007 at 09:10
engine temperature is controlled by a thermostat. If it checks out ok then you can deduce that the guage is not reading the same as the one in the old car. If the temperature varyies during different work loads then you got a problem with the radiator. A good radiator with a new thermostat should cope easily.


Owen
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Reply By: ROCKBITER - Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 18:49

Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 18:49
Hi
I Also have a 1989 hj61 factory turbo cruiser and the temp
gauge always runs at 1/4 it had just went over the other month so i changed the coolant and all is back to normal.
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