12 volt, Battery, Fridge... in that order

Submitted: Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 12:25
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No, I am NOT mentioning tyres....hahahaha

Electrical merry-go round.

Problem.

The 40lt Waeco fridge in the Xtrail cools down to whatever minus temp I set on 240 volt within 15 minutes. When connected to 12 volt however, the fridge runs for about 5 minutes and then the ERROR light starts flashing. On 12 volt the fridge struggles to cool down to 0 degrees and then warms up again after that. Cooling down to 0 degrees can take over an hour

Power output at battery terminals is 14.16volts. Power output at fridge 14.16 volts. Fridge is hardwired with 6mm wire with inline fuse.

Waeco book states that battery is not giving enough power to the fridge if normal cooling does not occur.

Any luminaries out there with ideas?

Thanks

Cheers
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Reply By: Member - 'Lucy' - Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 12:32

Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 12:32
Willem

I'll take a punt and suggest that even though your power cable from the battery to the fridge shows 14.6 at the fridge end, that when the fridge switches on and starts to suck the juice, that it (the fridge) is getting no where like 14.6 volts.

If you have a OEM 12v cable (the short one with a cigarette plug)
'jerry rig' the sucker straight off the battery and see what happens.

If all is good then its in the loooooooong cable to the back or the connections along the way.

Ms L
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Follow Up By: Willem - Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 12:46

Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 12:46
Ahhh Ms Lucy

I wrote " Fridge is hardwired with 6mm wire with inline fuse "

The power drain must be somewhere beteen the battery and the fridge connection. But how? Only thing I can think of is that there is a loose connection soemwhere inside the fridge.

Cheers ma'am

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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 13:50

Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 13:50
Yeah! Willie. I am with you on the hard wired thing, thats why I suggested that you 'test' the fridge operation (cooling) by disconnecting the Looooong hard wired cable and connecting the fridge direct to a battery with a real short cable.

If appropriate - take the fridge to the battery or if easier take the battery to the fridge. Use a short 6mm connect cable (no fuse/e etc for the test) and see if the sucker fires up and runs correctly.

If so - THEN you know it is definitely in the Loooooong cable plus connectors and or fuses etc.

If not - Then its in the appliance.

Don't give up - stick at it.

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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:11

Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:11
For once I agree with Lucky.....up to a point.

The other thing to check is the integrity of the battery. I know, I know..... you've already said that the battery shows 14.6v at the fridge end as well as the battery terminals. HOWEVER, if the battery has an internal "issue", it is possible that it can give good readings at rest, but as soon as a load is applied, it buckles under the "ask" and fails to provide. (think of it in the same way as yourself after a hard night......you climb outa bed and may _look_ like you do any other morning.....but try to lift something heavier than a strong cup of coffee and you'll be feeling as though you have to go straight back to bed....hahaha)

Soooo, what about connecting a bright light (like a hand-held spot light) or maybe a "good" quality air compressor (under load) onto the battery and see if the battery can provide power for that heavy-draw appliance for any length of time; also measure the output of the battery with a multimeter whilst doing that experiment.

Other than that? Yeh, sounds like the wiring/plugs/connections (eg: dry solder joint at a terminal etc)

Cheers blokes

Roachie
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:29

Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:29
Bill

Hard nights are few and far between at my age.....lol

Yeah, it could be the battery. It is OEM battery with no name and 4 years of age and probably on its way out. Fridge worked well off the battery before. Will test battery under load as you suggest(hope I don't electrocute myself...lol)

Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 13:44

Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 13:44
Willem,

Might be the poly fuse fitted inside the fridge. Some Waecos have had problems with the fuse which causes the fridge to shut down on low voltage. Might be worth checking out and a warranty job to replace it with a larger fuse if thats what it is.

Matt.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 13:54

Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 13:54
Thanks Matt

Sounds plausible. Was going to take the fridge to the authorised repairman next time I go town.

Is it possible to change the fuse myself? Had a look at the back of the fridge but haven't been able to see how to remove the power input module.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 14:01

Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 14:01
Willem,

I wouldn't try it, but I am an electrical incompetent. I believe that it is soldered to the main board, so could be a bit fiddly. It took the repairman an hour or so to do mine and test it, no problems since then.

BTW does it get worse as ambient temp goes up? Mine certainly did that as the temp of the fuse itself worsens the problem. Might be a pointer to what is wrong if that is the case.

Matt.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 15:14

Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 15:14
Matt...yep the problem is most ;like;y whaty you describe.

Will take it to service agent when I get a chance.

Thanks


Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 16:15

Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 16:15
"Power output at battery terminals is 14.16volts. Power output at fridge 14.16 volts. Fridge is hardwired with 6mm wire with inline fuse."

ZERO voltage drop ????

Either -
a. There is something wrong with your measurement technique
b. You were taking the measurement when the compressor wsn't running.

If you have 6mm wire running from the battery to the rear and the compressor is drawing 4 amps you will have AT LEAST 0.1 volts drop.

Open up the fridge panels while the compressor is running and keep on following the wiring until you find where the voltage suddenly drops off.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 16:23

Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 16:23
Hi Mike

Noticed that to and wondered if measurements were made when compressor had switched off.

Robin Miller
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Follow Up By: Steve Ellis - Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 16:28

Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 16:28
GDay Willem. It could be the fuse hoder or fuse with corrosion or dampness causing a poor connection in the long cable? Maybe dust has seeped in. If you have a new fuse it could be worth a try. Some of those inline fuse holders are a bit dodgy.
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Follow Up By: Member - Matthew C (WA) - Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 16:51

Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 16:51
Zero voltage drop loaded or unloaded,need to check earths etc etc.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 16:59

Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 16:59
To eliminate the vehicle wiring as the problem, disconnect the fridge and connect another 5 amp load like a 55 watt headlamp globe.

See if the voltage remains constant if you leave the load on for 15 minutes.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 19:01

Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 19:01
Ahhh.... Luminaries everywhere....lol...thanks fellas

A. I measured the voltage at the end of the power wire. Not able to measure voltage when compressor is running.(or rather don't know how to)

B. In-line fuse-holder and fuse is new

C. Unable to test 6mm wire as plug is dedicated for fridge unless I jerry-rig something up. Might blow the whole battery up doing that so better take fridge to specialist...lol


Cheers

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Follow Up By: Member - Mainey (wa) - Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 07:55

Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 07:55
Willem,
""Power output at battery terminals 14.16 volts
Power output at fridge 14.16 volts""


So your 12 volt battery is . . . 14.16 volts ?


Was the 'Voltage' measured when connected to a Solar panel, or with engine running?



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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:06

Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:06
Mainey

Vehicle has only single battery

14.16 volts at end of wire where it plugs into the fridge with engine running at idle.

In a previous post I made a typo(14.6)

Cheers
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Reply By: Member - 'Lucy' - Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 20:09

Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 20:09
Av a go ya mug! What are ya.

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Follow Up By: Willem - Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 20:20

Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 20:20
Fridge belongs to SWMBO. Would you dare??? I doubt it. I am sure your SWMBO wields an iron fist.....lol
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Reply By: Richard Kovac - Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 22:29

Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 22:29
Shouldn't you just get a new one? ... LOL
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Follow Up By: Brian (Montrose, Vic.) - Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 22:50

Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 22:50
The fridge?
Or.......
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 22:57

Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 22:57
SWMBO .. no . no she the income.... LOL

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Follow Up By: Willem - Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 23:01

Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 23:01
You been sucking the end of your lead pencil again, Richard Kovac......LOL
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Reply By: Member - Fourplayfull - Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 22:45

Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 22:45
Had a similar problem with my Engel , ok voltage indicated at fridge but insufficient amps to run an 18w festoon globe .
I would recommend Mike DID,s test - run an item with a 5amp current draw and see if it performs ok
In my case I found a faulty connection on the feed wire to the rear .
Cheers John
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Follow Up By: Willem - Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 23:00

Monday, Dec 10, 2007 at 23:00
G'day John

Ows tings? lol

I have triple checked the wiring and the voltage at the end of the wire is 14.6 before it goes into the fridge. So the problem seems to be from there onwards.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Mainey (wa) - Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 07:59

Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 07:59
.... 14.6Ov or 14.16v ??

the voltage " numbers " are relevant


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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:23

Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:23
G'day John and Willie,

I think the method you've been using to check the voltage at the end of the cable is to apply a multimeter to the end of the cable with the fridge unplugged; is that right?

If so, what John is suggesting, is to get yourself (for example) an old sealed beam headlight and using a couple of short lengths of 6mm cable with aligator clips, jerry-rig (or is the term "jury-rig"?) the light to take the place of the fridge. Now, you have a simulated "load" and if there is a problem at the in-line fuse or anywhere else along the supply line, this should show it up. If the light glows brightly and continuously, your wiring should be okay.

Cheers

Roachie
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Reply By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 04:21

Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 04:21
Go have a look at ABR's site on this forum, sidewinder.com.au, if you need general info about battery charging, if you need a more specific answer then send Derrick an email ,( sorry mate ) but you will get a helpfull answer.

Although I have never meet the man, I do a lot of reading of his articles and take it all in.

Cheers
Bucky
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 07:31

Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 07:31
Thanks

Quite a comprehensive website

Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Saturday, Dec 15, 2007 at 12:36

Saturday, Dec 15, 2007 at 12:36
Are you having the problem with the motor running? if so could be the fridge but my money is on a bit of voltage drop if you are running the fridge with the engine off waecos are super sensative to it as I posted a while back with my missus fridge.
Also if the X trail has the original battery which is probably marginally better than a couple of D cells it could be triggering the waecos sensativity to low power
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