2nd best phone network Option?

Submitted: Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 11:44
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Our family has a few phones and like most we have been looking for alternatives as CDMA closes and this has caused us to examine our whole phone usage pattern with a view to keeping costs under control, consistent with satisfactory range.

There are a million options and plans out there so for this post I am just using approximations and limiting my total maximum cost considerations to $30 per month with a preference for under $15 month.


We currently have a couple of CDMA telstra and Optus GSM and had the odd Three and Vodaphone.
I mostly use a Kyocera 3245 cdma , averaging 1 call/text per day and only about once every 3 months connect it to an external aerial.

Being mostly in Melbourne with weekly country trips we have had good opportunities to monitor the actual practical effectiveness of the networks in our area and while there is no doubt that Telstra CDMA gives best coverage we have also noted
that very few calls are lost or not made when using the Optus network.
An examination of Victorian coverage maps backs this observation up.

Also its worth remembering that phones with external aerial capabilies can be connected to other networks like Optus and Telstra GSM and this enables you to maximize the GSM range out to its 36km limit and this basically covers a large area which may be enough to enable you to sign up to a lower call cost carrier.

When looking at phone replacement plans we noted also that most kids in our area use Optus pre-paid and there is a good reason for this which is that for a $30 recharge voucher they get $150 of calls to any number.
Virtually no one but me was using Telstra GSM/CDMA as their best offer these days is basically 5 min calls for $1 to any number.

Leaving out internal promotions, the general base cost of calls on most networks is still an amazingly high 45c (approx) per 30 seconds.
Connection costs are also similar so the bottom line here is that $30 Optus pre-paid gives a lot more calls to any number than Telstra.

In obtaining a new phone there are two other major consideration, the type of phone, and wether or not to buy on a phone plan as all operators offer packages
at better rates fundamentally designed to lock you in.

Again there are a million options and we narrowed this down to 4 we consider capable of doing the 4wding support job (i.e. must have a NextG option).

Samsung A411 family ($20/mth plan $480 min) ($200 phone cost )
LG TU550 ($30 plan $720 min)
Nokia 6120 ($30 plan $720 min) ($300->$600 phone cost )
Telstra F165 ($30 plan $720 min) ($600 phone cost)


We prefer the candy bar type styling over flip phones and so with all of the above in mind I would probably choose the F165 despite its hassles I have read about in other forum posts.
However its current high price, particularly if you wish pre-paid, is a real barrier.

Because we need more than one phone we have come up with an interim solution which is proving quite effective and appears as good as my 3245.

We purchased a new Nokia 6120 for $300 via Ebay.
(The 6120 is the only one above with no external aerial socket and hence no Telstra blue tick )

These new phones all have sim cards unlike CDMA and hence we are able to use 1 sim card for Telstra NextG and another for the bulk of calls via Optus.

They have different numbers of course but overall this system is working well and gives us lower call costs when needed and more range for the few occasions when its required.

Both Telstra and Optus have long credit expiry options now ($30 for 6 months approx) so the minimum total cost of the pre-paid phone can be significantly lower than "Plan" costs and this system also allows you to buy more time when required instead of paying
all the time for calls you may not make and also the kids can't overspend.

This phone is full of gimmicks and has small buttons but its pretty effective with a large screen, good loudspeaker, good sensitivity and camera.

Not sure if its the phone I will end up with but its flexibility in being able to also use a "second best network" will mean it is not wasted and will cover us thru the CDMA transition and allow a more informed choice for my own long term phone.

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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 11:54

Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 11:54
Robin - thanks for writing up this analysis.

I'll have to do some re-arranging and this info helps.

The 6120 you bought off eBay - was that an Australian supplier ?
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 12:56

Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 12:56
Hi Mike

Yes Aussie - something like ozi soft - I put a price range and distance range into ebay search engine to get a local and often you can pick up direct.

The phone I got was labelled Telstra NextG on the box and
has a Telstra screen (which can be changed) but its worth knowing that it could go onto Optus and other networks which increase your options.



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Reply By: Member -Signman - Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 12:05

Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 12:05
Actually, there's only about 900 'plans' options out there !!
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Reply By: Member RayJen Paj05 (NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 12:24

Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 12:24
Thanks, I too am looking at our options when our '3' plan expires at the end of this year. '3' is good for city dwellers but very expensive now we have moved to the country. A useful analysis, Robin.

Best wishes, Ray
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 13:02

Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 13:02
Thanks Ray

Its a big field , designed to have many traps - there a lot I left out but I think I have got to the basics and hope it helps others with there own particular requirements.

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Reply By: TerraFirma - Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 15:47

Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 15:47
Given all your comments buy a handset of your choice on Ebay, big dollars to be saved, can't tell which handset is best because I use an Imate Jasjam and then get a Telsta Next G plan to suit or even pre-paid is available. Whilst I don't want to bring up the topic of Next G coverage vs CDMA Next G is by far the best option. Plans can be investigated to suit your specifics but only you know whats best for you, I chose half price calls to mobile because thats what I do most and it saved me heaps.

On another subject I am now using my Jasjam as a Next G broadband modem via USB cable on my laptop for Internet Access at broadband speeds whilst away from home, very handy for weather, Google Maps, Email, etc etc..(This required a data plan with my mobile plan , but as I use email and the Internet a lot it has been worth it)
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 16:28

Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 16:28
Robin,

IMO there are two anomalies in your post.

Firstly, your use of the term 2nd best Network.
Secondly, your reference to "Telstra's Blue Tick" rating.

There is only one network to consider - NextG, so your purchase of the Nokia 6120 is a good choice.
f*^k the "Blue Tick".
This phone works really well from it's built-in aerial and with the addition of a Force Technology cradle, you can charge the phone, connect it to an external aerial (via inductive coupler) and link it to any bluetooth enabled hands free kit you desire. The only outstanding issue remaining is the "echo" encountered by the remote caller. I understand Nokia are working on a firmware fix for this problem.

NextG aside for the moment, my mate and his wife have recently returned from a trip to the North West, across to Darwin and back down the centre. In almost all towns he encountered none, or limited connectivity with his Optus GSM phone, while his Wife's Telstra GSM phone had connection in most towns.
He has now chucked Optus for a Telstra phone.

I found the same problem 3 years ago. Optus just does not cut it with connectivity outside the main route corridors. When my wife's Optus phone contract expires, she will change over to Telstra because their Network coverage is superior in all respects to that of its competitor.

P.S. I am neither a Telstra shareholder, or a fan of Telstra in any shape or form. I have learnt from experience.

I firmly believe NextG will continue to improve as they progress with the rollout and total replacement of the CDMA network.


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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 16:39

Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 16:39
Quote Hooroo "P.S. I am neither a Telstra shareholder, or a fan of Telstra in any shape or form. I have learnt from experience.

I firmly believe NextG will continue to improve as they progress with the rollout and total replacement of the CDMA network."

I can only echo those comments Hooroo, Next G will become a better network than CDMA in the very near future, for me now (Notwithstanding some coverage issues) it's been a real winner, throw in the fact that I'm now using my Jasjam as a modem for my Laptop, and it has become an all encompassing solution for me whilst travelling, admitedly at around $130-$150 per month.

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 19:35

Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 19:35
Hi Sandman

I think what we have here is options and an increasing number are weighing up the call cost charges against coverage area and choose differently.

The good thing about an unlocked self owned phone like the 6120 that works on many networks is that it allows one to take advantage of these options as they progress and at a potentially lower cost of ownership.


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Follow Up By: Muddy doe (SA) - Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 20:34

Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 20:34
I have just spent 4 days over on Kangaroo Island assisting with the bushfires and apart from a few guys hanging on grimly to thier CDMA's until the death, the NextG Motorola V6 was great.

Many many guys over there with Telstra or Optus GSM's and because we were on the western and central areas of the Island away from the main touristy bits they had to just pack thier phones away in the bags for the duration.

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Reply By: Stephen M (NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 17:39

Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 17:39
While Im only talking about my home phone and mobiles, but only just 5 mins ago told optus to jam it and have just gone back to telstra. My bills have doubled in the last 6 months. To any body who really doesnt look at there home phone bill (optus) should, on the back you will notice in brackets (other provider) this is added to all the items ** Line Rental an extra $13.00, ** $36.90 for local calls, **1300 numbers (phone banking etc) $7.50, **Info calls (1300 numbers again $2.50), **Other calls (What The F---) $1.56, then GST on all that, Then on bill has other calls again got charged another $1.56 but no numbers recorded and no time ??? I asked them what the other provider is all about, was because they use telstra lines, so I said to him well I might as well use them if Im paying for it and he said "might as well" so I have. Just on $200 (call only charges) for 91 calls in three months frign joke. One call to central coast $21.70. Broad band is next when the contract is up 2 months time. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Muzzgit [WA] - Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 23:48

Wednesday, Dec 12, 2007 at 23:48
I get better coverage when hollidaying than our travelling buddies, who always use anyone but telstra. They say their plan is cheaper, but if you can't phone the kids while you're out in regional Australia then it isn't really cheap is it!
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 07:51

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 07:51
Hi Muzz

The reality for some of those we surveyed was that they have lesser contact because of the high costs than because of coverage issues.





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Reply By: DesF - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 19:30

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 19:30
Hi, If you are looking at $30 @ month I dont think you can go past the Nokia 6120 next G, I have changed over and am very pleased with the coverage seems as good as my Nokia 2280 CDMA. also I got a free Tom Tom V3 GPS with it, I have been on a $20 plan with Telstra for about 8 years over 4 phones and now with this one, great features on this phone.
Some of my friends have other carriers , cheaper calls etc , but they dont work in half the places we go to, not much good being cheaper if the dont work,
Cheers Des.
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