Power window mods

Submitted: Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 04:12
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G'day, I have searched and found nothing, looking for the post that details how to change the wiring on a GU to allow the power windows to be opened with the ignition off. Thanks in advance.
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Reply By: Willem - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 07:22

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 07:22
John

You could run a separate wire to the positive wire of the window to the positive of the battery and fused through a dash switch and properly earthed somewhere. This will give power to the window when the ignition is turned off.

That is what I would do but I have been told here on this forum that I am auto electrically challenged and thjat I do ebverything wrong. No doubt there will be better advice in the offing.

Anyway, what are you doing up at 3.42am...or are you at work?..lol
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (FNQ) - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:58

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:58
Willem
Naahhh your right, I'd do it the same ,

...............Oh ...nice car your sitting in, watch out for spiders and snakes


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Follow Up By: Member - John - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 20:38

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 20:38
Willem, at work........
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 07:55

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 07:55
There have been a couple of threads about this on the Patrol Forum....

Here is the thread I followed and it works very well for me; but only enables all of the windows to be operated from the driver's position.

It also makes a difference what year model too. Mine is a 2000 model and the wiring was as described in the instructions you are about to read. However, when I went to try and do the same mod on a mate's 1999 GU, it was different.....not sure about more recent models.

Here is the cut and paste:

The padded part of the arm rest clips off, this exposes some screw so that you can remove the top of the concole. Flip the console over so that you are viewing it from the under side. (It will be sort of hanging on the wiring loom anyway)

Now I assume that you are now standing beside the open door facing forward, looking at the underside of the concole.

Starting at the top left of the main plug the third position to the right should be a white wire with a black stripe this is your power wire (one of the thicker wires) Check and confirm with a test light that you have power when the key is off. You need to splice into this wire to pick up power and connect it to the wires identified below. (Leave a tail about 4 inches long)

Starting at the bottom left of the same plug the forth position to the right (Red wire with yellow stripe, thin wire.) and the fifth position (All white wire, thick)
These two wires need to be cut and joined together (on the plug side) along with the tail from the power wire above.

The two remaining cut wires that disappear into the loom remain unjoined and can be taped up and tucked away neatly.

I soldered all my joins, but I will leave it up to you how to make the connection.

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Follow Up By: Member - John - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 20:40

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 20:40
Thank you.
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Reply By: V8 Patrol - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:03

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:03
Hi,

Just did this to my Patrol last weekend.

I originally had a time delay of 1 hr after the ignition was turned off, when the windows would work, but the switches on the drivers door did not work.

I then changed it so as the switches on the drivers door worked but no others & there was no time delay - they work all the time.

Next time I pull the glove box out, I will have a go at making all the switches work !

Anyway, if you want the instructions of what I have at the moment, let me know.
It is an easy 10 minute job, all done in the switch wiring on the drivers door.

Oh, I believe this is actually illegal, to have your windows operable full time.

David
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:12

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:12
G'day David,

I read somewhere that it was illegal to do this mod as well.....

It's funny really! Why is it illegal I wonder? If someone breaks into your car, what benefit will it be to them if they can wind the windows down BEFORE they hot-wire it (and can then wind the windows down anyway). Also, what difference is there between this mod and a car with manual window-winder handles (remember those?)?

Somebody said it was because it is unsafe to have power permanently being supplied to a "device" whilst the vehicle is unattended (could cause a fire etc). Well, in that case every one of us who has a fridge that still operates when the ignition is off must be breaking the law too.

It's just legislation gone mad (if indeed it is true, about it being illegal).
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Follow Up By: V8 Patrol - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:23

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:23
Hi Roachie,

Yep, it's pretty hard to figure out why a lot of things are illegal.

I reckon it's all to do with the government looking out for us !

They know that we are too stupid to think for ourselves & will blame them if we get it wrong...

Anyway, that (as you say, if it's true) is just one more thing that is technically illegal in my 4by. I accepted that a long time ago now !.

David
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Follow Up By: Member - John - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 20:42

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 20:42
V8 Patrol, yes, please,in case Mr Roaches don't work on a 2004, lol. Thanks. John
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Follow Up By: V8 Patrol - Friday, Dec 14, 2007 at 07:49

Friday, Dec 14, 2007 at 07:49
Hi John,

Mine is a 2002 model, so I don't know about the 2004 but I think I read somewhere that the 1999 was the only one that was different.

Like I said, what I have at the moment is exactly what Roachie has posted above.

I also noticed the current draw from this mod. So, I still have plans to re do mine so it has a 1 hour or so time delay after the ignition goes off where it will work on all switches.
Planning to do some other electrical work on it this weekend, so I may get to do that as well.
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Reply By: V8 Patrol - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:06

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:06
Roachie & I must of been typing at the same time !

What I have at the moment is exactly what he has described.

David
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Follow Up By: Member - John - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 20:43

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 20:43
Bugger, teach me to reply in order, lol
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:13

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:13
Hi John

I think you may now have the link to that thread.

When I did mine some years ago I did not want to loose any of the features of the car and simply moved the control wire from the ign relay to the accessory relay.

This means that everthing works as before accept you don't need the ignition to be on , just the accessories.

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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:50

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:50
Hi John,

I have done this to my 2003 GU and it has worked well for 3 years now - but be aware of one issue. The switch sensing circuit draws ~500ma when off and this will flatten your battery over 3-4 days. I am not sure why it does this, but it is normal and is not from the mod.

I have wired a switch into my circuit to swap between standard and modified - handy if not using the vehicle for a while at times.

While the methods posted above work well, another (easier!) way to skin the cat is find the window fuse in the dash fuse box and simply jump a wire from a perm power fuse to the window fuse (4th row from left, 1st fuse (+ve) to 3rd row from left, 2nd fuse down)

Make sure you take the perm power supply after the fuse (for protection) and also that you remove (or short out) the window fuse (stops feedback of power). Easiest way to connect this is to simply bare a wire and push under the leg of the appropriate fuse. Might sound complicated here but in practise takes about a minute to do the mod (have done a few for mates now).

I can send a pic of the fuse box mod and further details if you are interested - my email address is listed in my rig details.

Cheers

Captain


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Reply By: youngharry52 - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 17:16

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 17:16
Gday all,

I understand that being able to operate the power windows without the key at least on accessories is illegal in Queensland. Dont know about other states and don't know why it is illegal.

regards

Chris
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Follow Up By: kev.h - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 18:55

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 18:55
If its not illegal to have manual windows wind down with the ignition off and as for having power to a device when the cars not attended what about the clock, the computer the central locking etc sounds like bullchet to me about time the law makers got a real job?
Kev
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