Offroad caravans and Cape York

Submitted: Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 16:26
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Has anyone had any experience (or knowledge) on taking an offroad caravan (bushtracker, kedron top ender or Trakmaster Crosscountry) up to Cape York.
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Reply By: JimDi - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 16:41

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 16:41
Bob,
My answer will be no. I have only taken a camper trailer. Kedron have a video on their trip via the Telegraph track,but it was an epic and I doubt if the average caravanner would attempt it without a backup crew.
I have always thought that with care a caravan could be taken via the bypass road. Though that is just a thought,no meaningful effort put into it.
Contact Kedron in Brisbane and ask for the video.
Jim
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Follow Up By: ChrisWA - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 17:53

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 17:53
Only 1 off road to get mate and that's a Bushtracker. Made in QLD . they cost a tad more but there worth every penny . I will Post you a link . But before I do I am just letting you know I am not or have ever been a sales person of this company . I'm a gold Prospector ok . and yes I use 1 and yes I take it in places that would make most 4WD owners cry. As they see there nice city 4WD covered in scratches and mud . http://www.bushtrackerownersforum.com/index.php?c=14
have a look ask them to send you a DVD of them and how they are made or go visit the factory

Best of luck to you
Chris
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Follow Up By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 18:47

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 18:47
Yebbut - I've seen pics of the Gall Boys towing one of their Kedron Topenders through sea water !! There is a huge gap I suggest in what the Gall's do with a promo van that owes them bugger all, compared to what we should do with a van that might owe us $80k + .......
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Follow Up By: RovingOz (QLD) - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 19:09

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 19:09
They must've sold that Kedron van to someone - a bright blue pop top - saw it in Quilpie this year.

Oh and you'll need a Phoenix to even consider doing the cape. A Bushtracker wouldn't keep up, they're just rubbish... ;-) LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - Bob S (VIC) - Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 10:08

Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 10:08
Thankyou JimDi. How did you find taking a camper trailer? We currently have an Adventure offroad trailer. However, we only have a Ssangyong Rexton which has clearance minimally lower than a Pajero and does not have a snorkel. How do you think this vehicle would go? We have used this rig to go on the Gunbarrel, part of the Canning, across the Tanami, into the Bungle Bungles and up to Wonangatta in the High Country. Any comments.
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Follow Up By: JimDi - Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 21:45

Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 21:45
Bob,

Sorry for the delay in answering. We are having an early xmas with the family and inlaws because we have sold the campertrailer and purchased a second hand Kedron. Head "off" for at least two years next Sat 22nd.

Back to my answer to your question. At the risk of attracting criticism, I think you would be okay. At the time 3 yrs ago we had (still have) an 80 series LC. We had a serious off road CT. My view is that the road/track will be okay as long as you drive to the conditions. I was at times worried but there was always plenty of traffic on the OT. At one stage I bogged in a sandy patch because I was not paying attention, its called sleepiness.I had overdone it that day. The main reason for getting stopped was the spare wheel being under the LC. Within 5 mins a couple of young blokes pulled up and hooked us up and we were out in less than 10 mins all up.

We cheated and travelled the telegraph track well into the dry which meant the creeks were almost non existent and having a camper trailer we missed the last 3 creek crossings going up,on local advice, and connected to the bypass.

The bypass roads are worse than the (3 yrs ago) track. Biggest problem is the 4WD people without trailers are hitting upwards of 80klm. Why? to ride "above" the corrugations. Good luck to them,I disagree. I stick to whatever does not shake my gear apart, and if that means 5klm an hour so be it. You have all day.

I hope that helps, and do not be afraid to try it. Best of luck.

Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Jim
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Follow Up By: JimDi - Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 21:52

Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 21:52
Bob,

As an after thought, if you have been along the roads you have mentioned in other threads, I would not hesitate if you want to do it. As I said just take your time. If the track gets too much just turn and hop onto the bypass.

I should have mentioned this in the earlier thread. But the christmas cheer has kicked in.It has been a long and lovely day with all the rels in a good mood.

Cheers
Jim
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Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Kath(info - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 16:48

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 16:48
One of the members of the Kimberley Karavan Owners Group from Yahoo took one and said he had no issues really. It would max at 2 tonnes though against a possible 3+ for the others.
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Follow Up By: RovingOz (QLD) - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 19:16

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 19:16
John
Is it right you need to be invited to join the KK yahoo group? Have some friends just took delvery.
John
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Kath(info - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 23:49

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 23:49
John, your friends can apply to join and it is searchable on Yahoo Groups. They will be asked though to provide information to show they have invested as really the information there is strictly Karavan users info. There are a couple of dealers that are members too, and the design engineer.

KK have adopted some of the groups ideas which are already in production. Hard wired tops, for example. I think there are others on the way. I have been surprised that for such a small group there are over 800 discussion messages already.
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Kath(info - Friday, Dec 14, 2007 at 06:41

Friday, Dec 14, 2007 at 06:41
Pass This Link to your friends mate.
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Follow Up By: RovingOz (QLD) - Saturday, Dec 15, 2007 at 10:54

Saturday, Dec 15, 2007 at 10:54
Cheers John
Have passed it on.
John
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Kath - Saturday, Dec 15, 2007 at 13:04

Saturday, Dec 15, 2007 at 13:04
The group has over 20% of KKaravan owners as members, which I thinK is a pretty good Kross section of the KKomunity.
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Reply By: Crackles - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 16:49

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 16:49
Bob driven slowly the developmental road is quite doable for any van with true offroad suspension, raised tow hitch and a good departure angle. Quite a few sharp dips but in general just a long very rough road that will test how well the van was put together. After late May the creeks usually aren't an issue for depth.
There is a video getting about of a Kedron being skull dragged to the top via the Telegraph track but really that was just a publicity stunt and not something any sane person would seriously attempt.
Personally I'd be leaving a big van back at Weipa or better still Cooktown as the road has the potential to wreck them. I've literally seen the wheels fall off several so called offroad campers north of Weipa. Many of the best destinations on the Cape are just off the beaten track so a big van would only limit where you can go.
Cheers Craig..............
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Follow Up By: Member - Bob S (VIC) - Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 10:14

Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 10:14
Thankyou very much for your thoughful comments Craig.
We currently have an Adventure Offroad camper trailer and a SSangyong Rexton which so far has taken us to all the places we wanted to go except Mitchell Falls in the kimberleys. We are looking at updating both the camper and the vehicle. But from your comments and others, if we want to get the most out of this trip (and time is not an issue for us) perhaps we might be best upgrading to a BT after our Cape York trip. But we are not sure on the vehicle which has clearance minimally less than a Pajero, but no snorkel.
Any comments?
Cheers Bob
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Reply By: RnR - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 17:42

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 17:42
Bob S

The following is from the bushtracker website:

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject:

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Hi Steve and Sandy.
We took our 21' BT all the way to Punsard Bay along with another 21' BT and a similar sized Kedron in September06. The roads at that stage were still being repaired after the damage from cyclone Monica( and years of neglect). The only real rough patch then was the southern bypass from about 40ks north of Bramwell Station to the crossover to the northern bypass. There was a lot of work going on at that time on the roads so it may well be a bit better. All three vans were none the worse for the trip and it just comes down to driving to the conditions.
A few good camps starting from Mareeba would be
1. Turn right just before the McCloud river bridge, walk down and check for space first.
2. About 3 ks north of Coen on the right, camping on the creek but if your going too fast you will go straight past as it is on a sweeping bend.
3. Anywhere you can find a spot far enough off the road to get away from the dust or failing that, the ones that charge are Archer River road House, Moreton Telegraph Station, Bramwell Station.
4. Elliot falls is a National Park pay as you stay and stick to the bus tour sites if you have a biggish BT, there are only two or three normal campsites that you will fit in. Well worth the drive in and don't be put off by the creek crossing, it's not as bad as it looks!!
5. After that it is an easy trip up to the ferry and onto either Seisha Beach or Punsard Bay, the latter is definately the better in my opinion.
Hope this helps, bad spelling and all.
Regards
Peter

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Current Bushtracker owner:: Yes Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: Cape York

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We took our 19ft Bushtracker to the top in Sept 2006.
The road was still being worked on in many places,and we found about half of the road was excellent, (80 to 100km/h) while the other half was either rough to very rough.
The worst corrugations were of the order of about 75 to 100mm deep, requiring lower tyre pressures, 1st gear low range at just above engine idle through the worst of it.
Had some fine & coarse dust enter through the bottom fridge vent on the worst sections. Just a minor irritation.
Stayed 4 weeks at Loyalty Beach (Between Seisia & Punsand) Lovely place, very helpful people, powered and unpowered sites with reticulated town water. Pets allowed under control.
A great spot to sit and watch the tide come in and go out.
Recommend going up there before September as the winds tend to increase from then and plays havock with the fishing.
The shortcut road from Batavia Downs to the Weipa road for those venturing to Weipa on the return trip, can also be very corrugated in places, but worth the perserverence for the distance saved.
By all means give it a go, but preferably starting around May June, and as Kingy says, drive to the conditions.
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John & Sharyn AKA Uncle Dodgy
Takin' the long way home, towing a Bushtracker

RnR
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Reply By: Members - Bow & Nan - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 18:23

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 18:23
Bob
We spent 4 months this year towing our bushtracker up to Cape York. If you take your time you will not have a problem.
Rig photo was taken on the road into Elliot Falls on the
telegraph track.
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Reply By: blue one - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 20:29

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 20:29
Always raise a smile from the caravan that tried to get into KFC when the track needed work. Dragging it out with the grader would have hurt.

Cheers
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Reply By: TroopyTracker - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 21:03

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 21:03
Bob,

Plenty of BT's etc go every year.

BUT, VERY few do any part of the OTL with the van (some of the best fun 4wding up there).

I love the Kedron trip, they seriously had no idea what they where in for...still had the WDH attatched for the first part of the OTL!! They never gave up though and you have to give them 10/10 for guts! I would do it too-with their van.

Now, you think once would be enough.....Looks as though they've done it againhttp://www.thegallboys.com/ !!!

At least this time they have a tow vehicle with some power and tyres with some decent tread rather than the grandslick cheesecutters they used last time!!

I love it and will be buying the DVD no doubt. I'd never do it with my van though....I have to keep it.

Take it up and park it at Punsand Bay or similar and go exploring in the 4WD.

Matt
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Reply By: Steve - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 21:10

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 21:10
It depends how far you wanna push your van. You could take your time and nurse it throught some pretty rough stuff - or you could be like those Gall boys from Kedron and do the Kimberleys and back in three weeks. To do that you've got to be travelling fast and that means hitting some potholes/washouts at high speed = damage. They even did some rough stuff and didn't take their wdh off. How dumb is that? Broke the towing hitch clean off. They did some pretty bold driving on Fraser too. Still, they can get the van back to the yard and tart it up and sell it on. You could say they were pushing the vans to their limits so they can know the limits. Few of us can afford to do that. Back to the original question: it depends whereabouts you want to go and how quickly you need/want to do it. It's surprising how far you can go in a 2wd if you take your time - on the other hand you can wreck a good 4by (and maybe somebody's life) if speed is important to you.
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Reply By: Member - Borgy.. (SA) - Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 22:51

Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 at 22:51
Bob

Best thing you can do mate is get hold of a copy of the Gall Boys "Kedron" CD and make your own mind up ....but make sure you take note of the support crew those guys had, I have a good mate who lives in Queensland who is a good friend of the Galls , actually owns one of their vans , he reckons everything they do on the CD'S is for real ...Nots staged.


Cheers......Dave

P.S I would loved to have ben with them when they did those trips
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Reply By: ddr - Friday, Dec 14, 2007 at 08:54

Friday, Dec 14, 2007 at 08:54
How about Lakefield NP up there? What would the roads be like taking it straight through between say Laura, Lakefield then onto Musgrave?

With the same type of vans listed above?
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 22:16

Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 22:16
Lakefield tends to cut up pretty rough at times with big corrugations and patches of bulldust. The creeks & dips in general aren't as severe as the main road up the Cape. Taken steady a quality van or camper with offroad suspension will handle it much the same.
Cheers Craig............
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