Which fridge - compressor or 3 way?
Submitted: Friday, Dec 14, 2007 at 20:39
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Hello
In the new van I have the choice of a 180l vitrifrigo compressor fridge, or the same size 3 way one. Both are 2 door fridges with good sized freezers.
The 12v compressor fridge will take the temperature lower in hot weather but if the 12v supply runs out you've got no alternative.
The 3 way has more supply options and I'm told that running on gas they do ok when the temperature is up. Apparently putting a small fan behind the fridge helps a bit as
well.
Which one should I go for?
regards
John
Reply By: Jimbo - VIC - Friday, Dec 14, 2007 at 21:45
Friday, Dec 14, 2007 at 21:45
If the three way is rated "T' go that way, they work
well in extreme heat. If it is only rated "ST" demand a "T" rated fridge.
Keeping the power up to a 180L compressor fridge is a real challenge unless you plan to stay at powered sites always.
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Reply By: lifeisgood - Friday, Dec 14, 2007 at 21:48
Friday, Dec 14, 2007 at 21:48
Thats a reasonable size fridge and i think you are
well aware of the problems. I would go 3 way and then if not entirely happy carry an Engel/Waeco type portable 12v compressor unit in the vehicle.
I am not impressed with the gas fridge (front opening) in hotter climates.
Mine doesnt have a fan and could surely be mounted better for improved ventillation but on my last trip up north I just saved the gas and used the compressor unit ,backed up by a portable 80W solar panel. Certainly works better.
In cooler areas or times of the year the 3 way is ok I find.
One thing about the 3 way is its nice and quiet at night in the van. If you mostly have a powered site you can do better on 240v I found. cheers
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Follow Up By: lifeisgood - Friday, Dec 14, 2007 at 21:51
Friday, Dec 14, 2007 at 21:51
Agree with Jimbo
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Reply By: Motherhen - Friday, Dec 14, 2007 at 22:14
Friday, Dec 14, 2007 at 22:14
Hi John
Go for the 180 litre Vitrifrigo compressor fridge. You can get a converter so it can run on 240 v as an alternative. Our first one was 12 v only, and we never needed anything else. We do carry a generator for the odd occasion we use the air conditioner or emergency use of power tools, so could use this to charge the batteries if need be.
Our Bushtracker came with a Vitrifrigo 130 litre which ran on 12 v only, and last year we broke the gas pipe in the back of the freezer on a very rough road with the internal freezer section overloaded. Expensive mistake. We have replaced it with the same type of fridge (remote compressor model) which is 12/24 volt, but we have added a converter so it can also run off 240 volt - we haven't tried the latter yet. The new version has two screws securing the internal freezer box to the back, whereas the old one had only one, and when this severed on the rough road with the weight, it snapped the gas pipe. The Vitrifrigo is much quieter than the Engel 12/240 we put in our previous caravan. In fact you need to listen for the occasional gurgle of the gas to find out if it is running or not. We needed to replace with the remote compressor model to avoid major modifications to the caravan. I would have like a larger fridge with separate freezer, but this would not fit in the space without a radical rebuilt.
Vitrifrigo is quiet, safe and efficient. I never light a gas fridge in a caravan (a few horror stories), but that is just my personal paranoia.
I understand the gas fridges aren't as efficient on the 12 volt as the compressor fridges, so no doubt you would need to resort to gas from time to time.
Motherhen
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Reply By: Tickman - Saturday, Dec 15, 2007 at 08:58
Saturday, Dec 15, 2007 at 08:58
John
A friend of
mine has a compressor fridge in his van and has never had a problem.He has three 120 amp AGM batteries in the van plus two 120 watt solar panels.Also has a 2Kva Honda generator for backup but never used it.
Regards Tickman
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Saturday, Dec 15, 2007 at 16:31
Saturday, Dec 15, 2007 at 16:31
3 x 120Ah AGM = $939
2 x 130W (couldn't quickly price 120W) = $2400
Honda 2KVA gen =??? $2000???
So for the paltry sum of $3339 ($5339 if you include the gen) he keeps the beer cold.
As I said in a post a couple of days ago on a similar topic: "I'll stick with my 3 way fridge and Coleman duel fuel lamp thanks".
Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Member - DOZER- Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 17:05
Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 17:05
Your friend must have also been deaf...i bought an Engel compresser fridge for my van, and had the colderst beer up north, but no sleep at night...Brrrrrrruuuuuummmm then 2 minutes later tinkle tinkle..... all night, every night.....realised real quick why they put 2 and 3 way fridges in vans.
Buy a 3 way, and have a good nights sleep....you can always add an Engel.
Andrew
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Reply By: Neil & Pauline - Saturday, Dec 15, 2007 at 12:42
Saturday, Dec 15, 2007 at 12:42
John
There is no way that I would go back to a 3 way fridge. By the time you take into account the gas that you use (less than 3 weeks for 9kg bottle) and the loss of frozen goods when it fails (or food poisoning medication) the cost of either a solar panel or generator become realistic.
I have gone for solar and have not missed a beat for 4 years. I have a 220 litre Waeco.
I might be biased but I grew up with kero fridges and the 3 way is just the same, may some have a T but the principle is the same, they can only reduce the temperature by no more than about 30degrees no matter what. That is the fact of life, it will be cooler than outside temperature except when it works too hard then it will spit the dummy.
We found with the kero fridge we had a
Coolgardie Cooler set up for the hot weather which was cooler than the fridge.
Neil
Some things in life we need to move forward not stay 50 years ago.
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Follow Up By: mattie - Saturday, Dec 15, 2007 at 16:25
Saturday, Dec 15, 2007 at 16:25
i agree with neil, i have 2 friends that have owned 3way fridges and i would not buy one over a 12v compressor fridge, as has been said we were
camping in 30-40 degrees and the 3way would not have even made a good esky, while our 12v was cooling perfectly, although when up around 40degrees it was running a lot of the time, as people were getting drinks out regularly, we also have a couple of batteries and a solar panel.
Mattie
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Reply By: Member Boroma 604 - Saturday, Dec 15, 2007 at 16:28
Saturday, Dec 15, 2007 at 16:28
Gooday,
Would not even think about a 3 way fridge again after having had both. As long as you have 2 decent Batteries in the Caravan for when you are not travelling or connected to 240, the only way to go.
Think of it this way with a 3 way, 3 things to go wrong & maintain.
Had Vitrifrigo, now have a Waeco , wish we had specified Vitrfrigo.
Cheers,
Boroma604
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Follow Up By: camperatcoffs - Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 08:46
Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 08:46
Hi Boroma 604,
I am trying to make the choice between the Vitrifrigo and Waeco what are the main reasons you prefer the Vitrifrigo.
Cheers
Camperatcoffs
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Reply By: Aandy(WA) - Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 09:57
Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 09:57
A T (tropical) rated 3 way fridge will perform as
well as the compressor fridges. They are fine up to ambient temps of 43C. Other 3 ways are OK up to 32C so that's why the old ones have a poor reputation. Incorrect installation is also the main cause of poor performance. They must have insulation around them and good ventilation at the back. Evernew instal hinged doors behind them. To run properly on 12v they must have adequate wiring.
Mine runs beautifully on 12v. I have an anderson plug for the wiring and a fridge switch to protect my batteries.
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