how to unscrew a threaded screw

Submitted: Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 14:00
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Hi all.

My Prado seems to be suffering a little power problem, and is feels exactly like about 3 years ago, in the months prior to the air flow sensor dying. So for that reason I want to pull out the air flow sensor now, clean it and see if that is the cause of the current problem.

However, prob is one of the screw heads holding it in is stripped and there is no purchase at all to try and get it out. Would like to get my hands on the SOB who did it.

Anyone know what would be the cleanest way to get the screw out? Delicately if possible, its a damn expensive part if I bugger it up. Its a plastic thread.
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Reply By: KSV. - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 14:07

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 14:07
Generic way is to drill smaller hole and use screw extractor.

Serg
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Follow Up By: Member - Tonester (VIC) - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 16:45

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 16:45
thanks Serg
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 14:07

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 14:07
Drill a hole in the broken shank about 2/3 the diameter of the shank.

Make a 4 sided tapered and pointed drift by filing a nail into such a shape (easier to draw than describe).

Gently tap the drift (nail) into the hole in the shank until it gets a good purchase.

Use mole grips or similar to rotate the drift and, hopefully, the shank from the housing.

A little lubricant (3 in 1 oil?) applied to the threads first may help.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Moose - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 15:14

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 15:14
G'day Mike
OK - this may be a dumb question but are mole grips the same thing as vice grips? I have never heard that term used.
Cheers from the Moose
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 16:16

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 16:16
Hi Moose

A good question because it clears up confusing terminology.

They are the same device (sort of like adjustable locking pliers), I believe vice grip in the US term and mole grip in the UK one - perhaps the have tough moles over there? :)

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Moose - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 16:24

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 16:24
Mike
Yep - they must be tough buggers to hang on to alright.
It's a wonder the bleeding heart greenie mole lovers haven't made the grips an outlawed implement of torture :-)

Seriously - thanks for the explanation. I thought it might have been some sort of strange language in whatever region you hail from/reside in. I have certainly never heard anyone call them that before up here in southern Qld where I've lived for many years, nor in northern NSW where I was born and raised.
Moose
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Follow Up By: Member - Tonester (VIC) - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 16:43

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 16:43
Thanks Mike. Will give it a go.
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Follow Up By: donks1 - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 18:16

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 18:16
hi there

Vice Grip is actually a brand....

as for easy-outs and the like, i imagine that the screw in question would be way too small for that technique

donks
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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 18:40

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 18:40
Every one knows them as vice grips...same as every one calls a tracked machine a Catapiller.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 18:46

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 18:46
Perhaps you should type 'mole grips' into Google?
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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 19:07

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 19:07
On Google mole grips returned 81,000 web sites and vise grips returned 119,000..it seems more people know then as vise grips.

Perhaps we should refer to them with there correct name locking pliers.

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Follow Up By: Member - Glenn D (NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 20:52

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 20:52
Mike,

Have you used the method with the nail to any success ,given the hardened nature of most fasteners I would think you would just round the ridges off the nail shank.

I have only ever used cobalt drills and ezy-outs , except when I broke a tap off in a head I was recoing , It suddenly got very difficult to fix .

Glenn.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 21:13

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 21:13
If I understand correctly the OP is trying to remove a plastic screw.
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Follow Up By: Member - Glenn D (NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 21:24

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 21:24
I was reading screw into plastic threaded housing ?

I wasnt typing sarcasticly either !

Glenn.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tonester (VIC) - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 21:58

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 21:58
yeah, its a small countersunk metal screw into plastic housing
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Reply By: Jim from Best Off Road - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 14:33

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 14:33
Tony,

Mike's suggestion is bang on the money. Pop into the factory, I've got the gear.

If needed we can always run a tap through the hole and fit a larger screw.

Jim.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 14:50

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 14:50
or a helicoil.

jim and the other boys are on the money

drill a hole, then ez-outs are the go.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tonester (VIC) - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 16:44

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 16:44
Hey Jim, Truckster. Thanks, will give it a go. And Jim, yeah, might pop over to the factory and take u up on it. Been a while.
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Reply By: Paul V Qld - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 16:12

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 16:12
You could try a "Grabit Damaged Screw Removal Tool". These are available from Bunnings or Jaycar Electronics. CAT. NO. TD2059 from Jaycar Electronics

Paul
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Follow Up By: Member - Tonester (VIC) - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 16:45

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 16:45
thanks Paul
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 17:59

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 17:59
Another way is to use a cutting disc on a dremel or die grinder to cut a slot in the head and then use a screwdriver to extract it.
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Reply By: Shaker - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 18:30

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 18:30
If it's a Philips head screw, dip the screwdriver in valve grinding paste.
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Reply By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 18:38

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 18:38
Has this screw got an exposed domed head on it, can you post a photo as I might be able to tell you a easy way to get it out.

Regards Richard
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Follow Up By: Member - Tonester (VIC) - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 18:53

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 18:53
Nah, its a small countersunk in plastic
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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 19:16

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 19:16
Oh what you could try is find someone with left hand drill bit, the idea is the drill bit causes heat that loosens the screw and the drill bit undoes it.

If you have to use an easy out (opps another trade marked name) I mean a bolt / screw extractor try and get the splined one instead of the spiral flute.

Another thing is Snap-On sells number 2 phillips head bit that has splines cut into it for grip and they work or try a good quality screw driver.

We use Snap-On screw drivers in the workshop and in the service vans and cannot rave enough about them...for some reason they will undo screws no other screw driver will.

Screw drivers are the only thing apart from some speciality tools we use from Snap-On.
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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 19:19

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 19:19
One more thing have you tried using a screw drive and hitting the head of the screw driver with a hammer.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tonester (VIC) - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 22:00

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 22:00
I've done the oiling, RP7, knocking the casing around, hammer onto screw etc. All to no avail. The screw head is rounded out anyway, no purchase to turn it.
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Reply By: Louie the fly - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 20:48

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 20:48
theres lots of ways to extract a siezed fsatener. After 26 years in the engineering trade I've found the #1 tool for this job is Wurth Rost Off. Its the best penetrating oil bar none. Spray on and let penetratefor a while, then, as someone suggested, cut a slot in the head (if its a hex head) and work it back & forth a bit at a time with a lagre'ish screw driver. Dont try to force it. If its a cap head you can grind an old good quality allen key to fit the rounded out hex. Be sure to not temper it back while grinding it.

I've removed 1000's of siezed screws over the years and each one is unique and difficult (and frustrating). Another way is to progressively drill it out to the tapping drill size so you are left with the threads. Then they can be picked out with a sciber or an O ring pick. You need to be smack on centre with the first drill though. One thing I learned is patience and persistence.

If that dont work, a big hammer or oxy. lol

good luck with it. Hope something works for you.
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Reply By: Member - Glenn D (NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 20:59

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 20:59
Tonester,

If your sensor has a flange with the screw though it , you could just drill the head off , remove the sensor , grab hold of the shank of the screw with long nose mole/vice grips and wind it out.

This is a very easy solution if that how its set up.

Hope this helps you out ,

Glenn.
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Reply By: Smudger - Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 22:05

Wednesday, Dec 19, 2007 at 22:05
You said the nut is mangled. Presumably the thread has siezed, so you need to lubricate it with a penetrating oil before doing too much grunting. S'pose there are a few around, but Penetrine has always been my standard. If you have the time, a few drops on it over a full day or even a few days. Then try vice grips, or similar. Have a new spare part handy to replace the buggered one. If the original nut head breaks off, then you need an Easy-out, which requires you to drill a hole down the centre of the screw, then tap the Easy-out into the hole. Pricnciple is, the Easy-out screws in on a reverse thread and when it bites it turns the screw in the right direction to remove it. But, it's always better to persevere and try and to get it out with its' original nut.
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