Grease(post 52517) and GQ front wheel bearings
Submitted: Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 15:17
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Willem
Yesterday I decided to engage the hubs at a washed out
creek crossing and noticde that they were VERY hot even after 70km of driving. Strange?
As my GQ is up on the hoist now being prepped for tomorrow's wheel stud refit I mentioned this to the garage owner and he decided we should have another look at them. Took the GQ for a quick 15km run to prove the point.
After removing all the parts; this time the grease was still clear after around 1000km driving but the bearing cones are discoloured whilst the bearing itself seems to be OK with no scoring or rough edges. Bearings were not overtightened. Unknown quantity!
So new bearing kits have been ordered and hopefully they will be here as
well by tomorrow morning.
It is nice living in a small country town but everything has to be imported and takes time to get here. You need infinite patience.....LOL
Cheers
Reply By: Mikee5 (Logan QLD) - Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 15:54
Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 15:54
Hi Willem,
Is it possibly heat transmitted from the brake rotors caused by binding brake pads?
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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 17:34
Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 17:34
Hi Mike
We had a look at that but its not happening. The heat would have to be svere to transfer all the way down to the hub ends. Binding brake pads would show score marks on the rotors
Cheers
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Reply By: Martyn (WA) - Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 17:37
Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 17:37
Willem,
As mentioned about the heat being transmitted by binding brakes earlier if the seventy klms that you travelled involved a lot of stop start driving the rotors and eventually the hubs act as a heat sink especially if you are not driving for a longer distance to cool everything down. Aluminium is an excellent conductor of heat so this will heat up quite quickly.
Could
well be a normal temp that you just haven't noticed before, if you can check to see what the temp actually is with an infra red heat gun, you might be surprised at the temp, you can often feel that the temp is really hot when in reality could be sixty odd degrees. Don't over grease this is as bad as under greasing both can contribute to over heating.
After you've done a long sand run feel the temp of the gear stick through the boot inside the vehicle, now that's hot!!!!!
Hope everything works out for you and you eventually get away. Funny isn't it always the left hand
wheels are the ones that fall off, direction of rotation and a RH thread, that's why commercial vehicles have left hand threads on the LH side of the truck, some smart cookies out there...........
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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Dec 22, 2007 at 07:03
Saturday, Dec 22, 2007 at 07:03
Hi Martyn
There were only two gates and a couple of creeks to negotiate in the 84km of travel, so notmuch stop start driving. There is not much alloy in the front hub...mainly steel casting and steel rotor.
I would have thought that the left had thread would be on the RH side of the vehicle?
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Follow Up By: Martyn (WA) - Saturday, Dec 22, 2007 at 09:06
Saturday, Dec 22, 2007 at 09:06
Williem
You're right there doesn't seem to have been much stop start driving, uuuuuummmmmmm. You're also right about the steel components, the majority are, the actual mechanisms in the centre of the wheel for changing the hubs are cast aluminium and heat up quite quickly, when they are travelling through air they also loose their heat pretty quick as
well. If you look at the direction of rotation and the way the wheel would try to turn the nuts, left hand side anti clockwise direction, good eh. I have these fancy yellow tags you can buy on my wheel after I lost one on my trailer. They remind you to "check your nuts" every now and again. For me it's nearly become an obsession now after my little fright. I'll see if I can put a picture of these little yellow tags on my rig page.
Should be just about fixed up now and ready for the off shouldn't you?
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Saturday, Dec 22, 2007 at 11:36
Saturday, Dec 22, 2007 at 11:36
How do those yellow tabs work? I can see them pointing in one direction or other...
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Follow Up By: Martyn (WA) - Saturday, Dec 22, 2007 at 15:24
Saturday, Dec 22, 2007 at 15:24
Andrew,
You place them over the nuts after they've been torqued up, you set them point to point or in a set pattern then when you get out of the vehicle for a quick rest or a viewing of scenery or something a quick walk around the vehicle you can see if any of the tags of moved, if any have the wheel nut must have moved and now requires tightening. To easy, at a $1 a tab seemed pretty good value to me. Works
well. We have them on forklifts at work and Coates hire use them on some of the hire equipment so they can check quickly all the wheel nuts.
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Reply By: Member - Luke (SA) - Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 17:37
Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 17:37
Still not gone yet, that's gotta p%ss you off hey.
As I said yesterday, I hope everything gets repaired properly so you and Judith can have a problem free happy Christmas and a merry new year
Cheers Luke
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Reply By: jdwynn (Adelaide) - Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 20:53
Friday, Dec 21, 2007 at 20:53
Willem
"It is nice living in a small country town but everything has to be imported and takes time to get here"
Just thinking though, that if you were in
Adelaide you wouldn't get your rig on a hoist in a day. Swings and merry-go-rounds ........
Sad picture seeing the mighty GQ with its bum on the ground.
Good luck with it all. Compliments of the season.
JD
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Reply By: Member - Axle - Saturday, Dec 22, 2007 at 00:21
Saturday, Dec 22, 2007 at 00:21
Hi Willem, You say the bearings were not over tightenened !, but that is a classic example of what happens if they are, or they have not been packed with grease in the correct manner, Depends a bit on what ks they have done also, if the hard surfacing is on the way out then heat can be generated very easily. Anyway not a mechanic, but have learn't a lot from a million mistakes, and do see and hear lots of issues from trusted guys in this field.
Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Dec 22, 2007 at 07:07
Saturday, Dec 22, 2007 at 07:07
Hi Axle
Bearings are new...done around 2000km. Mechanic is in his 50's and
well versed in his trade so I trust he knows what he is doing. I have inspected the bearing cones and they are discoloured.
Maybe a dud set of bearings?? Dunno. New set due to arrive this morning...I hope.
Cheers
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Reply By: Louie the fly - Saturday, Dec 22, 2007 at 10:38
Saturday, Dec 22, 2007 at 10:38
Also remember that a bearing will "grow" a bit during running. So if there is insufficient clearance installed in the preload it can still overheat even though it feels free running on installation. Happens a lot, from small cars to heavy industrial equipment, and even the best engineers make these mistakes on occasions. Discolouration starts at post 400 degrees C. Blue is the common overheat range in a bearing, at 500+ degrees C.
The bearing ring surface will also tell a tale; brinelling, false brinelling, spalling, reverse loading, normal wear and fatigue, lubricant failure, corrosion, contamination, etc. Have a close look at the bearing contact surfaces for evidence of what the cause was.
Hope it gets fixed.
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