Trans cooler for Commodore towing 1000kg

Submitted: Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 09:02
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I know from reading previous forum threads that the majority view is to install a trannie cooler if towing but I have just bought a 2004 Commodore VY to tow my old Jayco poptop which only weighs 1000kg. I bought the car from a Holden dealer and paid for an extended Holden warranty up to 3 years from now. The Commodore owners manual only instructs to use the "power mode" option on the trannie when towing (just pressing a button on the console - I can cope with that!). Nowhere does the manual warn to install a cooler for towing even up to the maximum 2400kg. I have a dilemma. If I add a cooler I might void the warranty by adding a non standard component. If I don't I might be risking the transmission. I am not planning any long trips, furthest would be Brisbane to Gladstone, around 600km. Perhaps my biggest risk is the occasional short hill climb such as the jump up approaching Toowoomba. Because the caravan is quite old (1979) I don't tow faster than 90kph on the highway. I would appreciate some advice.
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Reply By: Stu-k - Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 09:16

Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 09:16
The problem is heat, autos hate it. While holden say you don`t need a cooler to tow 2.4 ton it would kill the auto in no time due to heat and burnt oil.
You might get away with towing only a ton if you take it easy but it will still shorten the autos life.
For a few hundred bucks I would fit one if you intend keeping the car for any length of time, lot cheaper than 4-5k for a new gearbox.
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Reply By: DIO - Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 09:56

Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 09:56
Either fit yourself or have one fitted preferably by someone who knows what they are doing and can advise the most suitable size for your vehicle. If Holden or the stealership challenge you, tell them it was on the car when you bought it. So there. I'd also move the transmission selector into 3rd gear and avoid towing in overdirve - shouldn't be too much difference with fuel consumption but will be easier on transmission. You have to remember that most vehicles are not built for towing but with some adaption can tow moderate weights.
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Follow Up By: Ianw - Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 23:00

Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 23:00
I cooked my Falcon auto by listening to advice like that!!!!
3rd gear does not allow it to lock the converter and therefore generates a lot of heat!

Ian
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Reply By: BoldJack ( Penrith NSW) - Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 10:21

Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 10:21
Hi David R
I think it may already have an external transmission cooler in front of the radiator as standard , I could be wrong though !!
At least my last to commodores had them, VS now VT.
Others here may correct me.
Hope this helps.
Cheers BoldJack
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Follow Up By: Member - David R (QLD) - Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 11:11

Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 11:11
Thanks Boldjack, I had another look and it definately does not have one fitted. You were obviously lucky with yours. Perhaps they had been fitted by previous owners or you had an upgrade model. David R
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Reply By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 11:23

Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 11:23
Why not ask you local Holden dealer?

It avoids the "my brothers next door neighbours cousins mate at work knew someone how lived down the road who said....."

Regards Richard
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Follow Up By: Member - David R (QLD) - Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 11:34

Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 11:34
Thanks Richard. I was planning to do that but first wanted the unbiased opinions of the true experts like "my brothers next door neighbours cousins mate . . ." I can then argue with the Holden dealer that Richard from Olcoolone had one and the wheels fell off! :)
Enjoy your hot new year's weather in SA.
David R

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Follow Up By: Stu-k - Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 12:19

Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 12:19
Ring an Auto shop while your at it
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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 14:00

Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 14:00
42 deg at the moment
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Reply By: Member - Stephen L (SA) - Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 13:16

Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 13:16
Hi David
When I worked at GM Dealer a few years backs, you could buy a Holden Genuine Transmission Cooler as an add on, so you would not void your warranty. They were not that dear and gives you peace of mind when towing.

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Reply By: pop2jocem - Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 17:25

Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 17:25
David R

I think you will find that the standard transmission cooler lives in the bottom tank of the radiator and therefor uses the vehicle cooling system to get rid of excess transmission heat. While this works fine for most situations IMHO if you intend to tow a van you will greatly extend the life of your auto by fitting an additional external cooler. As mentioned above the cost of this will far outway the cost of a transmission rebuild.

Cheers pop2
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Reply By: Member - David R (QLD) - Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 18:35

Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 18:35
Thanks again everyone for your replies. Its pretty clear I need to install a transmission cooler which confirms my thoughts anyway. I just wish the major manufacturers would make it clear in the owner's manuals.

Hope you all have a good new year and plenty of happy travels in 2008.

cheers

David R
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Reply By: Graham & Lynne - Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 19:38

Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 19:38
David R (QLD)
Your VY has cross flow radiator & has oil cooler in both side radiator tank to run transmission oil through
from Graham
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Follow Up By: Member - David R (QLD) - Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 20:20

Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 20:20
Wow thats interesting, thanks Graham. Are you saying it is sufficient for towing? That might explain the lack of warning from Holden. You obviously are familiar with the model of car, can you give any other information? Perhaps after the holiday if you prefer. David R
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Follow Up By: Graham & Lynne - Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 22:38

Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 22:38
i had a VT, and towed a 1500kg cararvan from brisbane to port augusta, alice springs, darwin and then back. with no extra auto cooler
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Reply By: Mainey (wa) - Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 23:28

Monday, Dec 31, 2007 at 23:28
David,
I would recommend using a transmission oil cooler if you were going to be towing for a reasonable distance, but as you say ""I am NOT planning any long trips, furthest would be Brisbane to Gladstone, around 600km"" I'm not so sure I would worry.

Why not "write" or 'type' to HOLDEN and ask them directly, that way you will have their 'written' advice.

I use an Auto with overdrive and tow a 700 Kg Camper for tens thousands of Kilometres per trip, all without an 'extra' oil cooler fitted as it also has an oil cooler in the radiator like yours.
It's done 600,000 Klms, and is on it's second box now, but it gets worked hard.
I leave it in O/D at 100 to 105 Kph so I don't get run over by the roadtrains lol.

Mainey...
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Follow Up By: Member - David R (QLD) - Tuesday, Jan 01, 2008 at 11:30

Tuesday, Jan 01, 2008 at 11:30
Thanks Mainey. I have sent off an enquiry e-mail direct to Holden. Of interest to all, I will post their reply which may settle the debate and help others.
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Reply By: Stephen M (NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 01, 2008 at 19:18

Tuesday, Jan 01, 2008 at 19:18
Hi David, I have owned a few commodores, VC, VL,VP,VX.... VC been the only one with the old three speed trimatic, the VP turbo700 tranny. I have towed ski boats both around the 1300/1500 kg in weight also an 16 foot viscount caravan one of the older shapes. I didnt have an additional cooler on any of the vehicles. I also left in drive. The holden boxs are very responsive and will kick back with the slightest bit of right foot especially when in hilly areas so they dont labour in a higher gear. If only doing a 600k run I wouldnt even bother with one but if you intend doing alot of towing then for your own piece of mind get one. They are available from holden and come with all the correct brackets for fitment. Most S pack commodores and upwards SS, clubys etc have a cooler standard. The exec's, lumina's, equipe's didnt have one as they were basically an exec with a few xtra's elect windows,cruise, etc but tranny coolers was some thing they didnt bother fitting to the lower spec commodores. One tip I will give you with commodore trannys is never put into drive while still rolling backwards. It will stuff the main shaft in the box and will cost between 1500 to 2000 $$ for a new one. I know its easy to do especially if your in a hurry to have a tendany to slip into drive without coming to a full stop after reversing but big no no. Hope this helps you out a bit. regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Member - David R (QLD) - Tuesday, Jan 01, 2008 at 20:15

Tuesday, Jan 01, 2008 at 20:15
Thank you for your response and the extra tips. My VY is a VYII Executive, the base model. I traded a Camry Altise for it specifically for the towing duties otherwise would have kept the indestructable and better made Camry forever. Hope that doesnt start a whole new debate! As I originally stated, one of my concerns is adding a non standard item during an extended warranty, something i will take up with the dealership (stealership according to a previous reply - lol). Of curiousity, do you know of a good Holden owner's forum to look at? Cheers.
David R
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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 02, 2008 at 10:10

Wednesday, Jan 02, 2008 at 10:10
Dont know of any Holden forums but do a google search and Im sure you will find one. As far as warranty goes if you fit a genuine one they wouldnt know the difference. Half the blokes selling those cars wouldnt know the difference between a holden or ford. There would be nothing in your paperwork/contract stating wether there was one fitted or not. They tuck just infront of the front bumper bar and are normally only visual if you get down on your hands and knees. I hope its holdens extended warranty and not the other ones which realy have nothing to do with the dealership as there warranty is not worth the paper its written on. I had it when I bought my commodore new and it was the holden extended warranty but in the end was way too expensive and it had to be taken to HEARTLAND holden dealer otherwise was void. I think for memory was $275 every six months. We only average 10k a year on both our vehicles so decided to just change the oil every 5k myself and took the gamble. It paid off no problems in 5 years of owning it. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Member - David R (QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 02, 2008 at 18:46

Wednesday, Jan 02, 2008 at 18:46
I wrote to Holden Customer Assist and recieved this reply today:

Dear David,

Thank you for your email.

We advise that as per chapter 10 of the VY Series Owner's Handbook, an additional transmission oil cooler is not required.

Please be advised that Holden does not recommend any modifications that are not approved by Holden Engineering for your particular vehicle, and as such, we cannot offer any further advice in this regard.

We suggest that you contact your nearest Holden Dealer to determine whether there is an approved aftermarket accessory that may suit your purpose.


Yours sincerely,

(name)
Holden Customer Assistance Centre
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