CDMA closure

Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 09:57
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I haven't searched here today but does anyone have any up to date information about the closure of CDMA service this month? I have GOOGLED but cannot find any reference to the new Governments policy or what its intentions are in regard to allowing Telstra to close this service as they plan-January 28th I think.

I'm on prepaid and naturally don't want to recharge if it is actually closing.

Has anybody any firm knowledge of this?

Thanks

George
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Reply By: White Knight - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 10:13

Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 10:13
I saw a sign in a telstra shop at West Lakes saying 25 days to go till end of cdma. Think i was there on Saturday the 5th of Jan.
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Reply By: Member - Cruiser (NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 10:18

Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 10:18
They are advertising on TV at the moment that its 28th Jan 08, but who knows.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 10:52

Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 10:52
George,

Take the plunge mate. CDMA is (virtually) DEAD.

I would suggest that Telstra would be obliged to reimburse any outstanding credit value, or transfer it over to whatever you replace it with.

As far as I'm concerned the sooner CDMA is abolished, the sooner a clearer picture will be on the real performance of NextG.
Telstra can crank it up to full power, then concentrate on fixing any holes that exist in network reception.

Forcing Telstra to maintain CDMA is just stupid and will only delay full implementation of the newer technology.

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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 14:42

Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 14:42
he he he youve been conned by Telstras bulldust mate
Ive been a few places where next G and GSM are the only things on the local tower (newish remote towers)
and next g aint no good there either. Swiching off CDMA wont make a damn difference they are just saying that as a carrot
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Follow Up By: Dunedigger - Friday, Jan 11, 2008 at 17:28

Friday, Jan 11, 2008 at 17:28
Sorry but NG is already on full power.

Just make sure you get a blue tick handset. The earlier handsets were not up to scratch. I have a Telstra F165 and it is better than my old CDMA LG330w which was very good
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Reply By: Bruce M - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 12:22

Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 12:22
George

My understanding is that the new Federal government has tasked the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) to report (soon!) on whether the NextG network is providing coverage at least equivalent to that provided by the CDMA network. The Government will not give Telstra the OK to switch off the CDMA network until it receives a satisfactory report from the ACMA. That is why Telstra's recent advertising of the CDMA network closure Telstra "intends" to switch off on 28 January, not that it definitely will switch off on that date.

I have run down my prepaid CDMA account, but I am prepared to buy more air time if the CDMA network is still running when next I travel around Oz and want the coverage. If Telstra does shut down CDMA before I next travel I will buy an LG TU550 on the NextG network, or a more advanced model.

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Follow Up By: Mainey (wa) - Friday, Jan 11, 2008 at 22:12

Friday, Jan 11, 2008 at 22:12
Well for a clue to the best 'Country' phone performance, next time you see a Telstra Country Wide sales rep, check out his phone, you may be surprised.

A bit like a Nissan Company rep driving a Toyota !!
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Reply By: madcow - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 12:28

Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 12:28
We are on prepaid and you can transfer any remaining funds into your next g phone when you change over. There is no need to use it up before changing. I've written previously but we bought a prepaid Samsung A411 for $149 from our Telstra shop, We kept our number and it came with another $10 credit. All done in about 15 mins.
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Follow Up By: AdlelaideGeorge - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 13:22

Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 13:22
Thanks Mad Cow and BruceM - that's good info. I'll buy another $20:00's worth and await further developments.

Happy days

George
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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 13:35

Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 13:35
Saturdays Financial Review had an article saying that the ACMA was reporting "NEXT" week on its findings and recommendations.

Being in Saturdays paper that could now be this week ending the 12th or next week starting the 13th. It did not provide a specific date other than next week.

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Reply By: pathfinder - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 13:55

Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 13:55
Stephen Conroy should be making an announcement by the end of this week or early next - hence Telstra advertising has changed to say that CDMA is 'planned' to shut down 28/1.

As for comment above that they can crank up full power on Next G once CDMA is shut down - why? aren't they independent systems?

I will personally be waiting until the last minute as I'm less than impressed by the offers Telstra are giving to those with prepaid Telstra CDMAs which are about to become worthless...
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Follow Up By: stocky - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 14:07

Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 14:07
They are separate "systems" but they share spectrum & antennas/feeders - and thats where some of the reported issues arise!

There have been reports of intermod distortion on many towers due to the sharing of the antenna's - reducing the effectiveness of both systems - hence why some people found the CDMA became "weaker" when NextG went live
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 14:45

Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 14:45
Stocky thats actually not true see my coment above
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Follow Up By: stocky - Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 14:57

Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 14:57
Ummm - it is true for SOME sites!

We had it hear - we found it with our spec anaylser :-)
Telstra techs came and checked and replaced one of the antennas!

Like the VHF TV booster in a nearby town that was oscillating on the NextG Carrier at +18dbm!

There are issues - not an excuse for all the problems though - thats what happens when you try and roll out a huge network in one hit - not like CDMA where it was rolled out slow and the probs where sorted as they went :-)

I have single NextG sites (ie no other systems at all) with coverage out to 140km - good enough for wireless broadband at highest speeds!

There are good sites and there are lots of bad ones - with all sorts of reasons why. There is no one reason
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Follow Up By: stocky - Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 15:00

Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 15:00
on the booster topic - in another town ACMA tracked an interference problem to the switch mode PS in a generic 56k modem!

Caps had gone dry in switch mode - modem still worked fine but killed RX of CDMA site!

fun times for all finding that one!!
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 19:35

Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 19:35
A dodgy switch mode modem power supply generated harmonics up to 900MHz which had enough energy to stuff a CDMA cell?!

I'm surprised by that - did the owner live next door to the cell?

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Follow Up By: stocky - Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 20:14

Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 20:14
Owned a shop clear LOS ~500m from cell (mounted on town bulk silos).

Caused complete shutdown of cell - phones would only work if you stood next to the base station antenna (up the top RIGHT next to them!!)

Was one of those "generic" serial 56k modems - must be THOUSANDS of them out there all waiting to cause probs!
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Reply By: AdlelaideGeorge - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 15:56

Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 15:56
Just found this - probably the article referred to above:
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Herald Sun Jan 2nd
COMMUNICATIONS Minister Stephen Conroy will decide within days whether to allow Telstra to pull the plug on its CDMA mobile phone network at the end of this month.

Senator Conroy is due to get a report next week from the Australian Communications and Media Authority on whether the new NextG network is providing enough coverage in the bush.

Telstra wants to close the old CDMA network on January 28, but former minister Helen Coonan, who had a poisonous relationship with the telco, said this would not be allowed until there was proof regional CDMA services were up to scratch.

ACMA has been comparing CDMA and NextG coverage.

CDMA mobile phones will not work after the old network is closed.

Spokesman Jeremy Mitchell yesterday said: "We're very confident of a 28th of January shutdown of this old network," he said. "The coverage is definitely there."

He said more than two million NextG phones had been bought and all CDMA business customers were switching over.
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Reply By: KiwiAngler - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 16:28

Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 16:28
I have 12 fleet trucks all with CDMA which stopped working all at the same time today.

Contacted Telstra and they said that because we had purchased 12 Next G (under a fleet arrangement) last week they had automatically assumed we wouldnt require the CDMA and have shut them off!!

Now the fact that we only revceived the phones on site today (postal error) and w ehave yet to install them makes no difference. CDMA have all been shut down

Needless to say I have not given up at this stage and have started 'workimng my way' down from the top letting anyone and everyone in Telstra that i talk to what I think about the situation

havent decided just how I will sort out compensation etc but I can assure you i will be inventive :-)
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Reply By: Old Dave - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 16:45

Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 16:45
Hi George

Been to Telstra today & was assured my prepaid mobile phone wiil still work and be operational when the CDMA network is shutdown.

This is because all phones that have a sim card do work on Next G network.( They did mention something about mobile phones being GSM ) refer to link shown below.

The CDMA phones without a sim card will be US

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http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-gsm-and-cdma.htm
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Reply By: Ron173 - Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 14:06

Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 14:06
28th this Month (Jan) FIRM
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Follow Up By: pathfinder - Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 14:54

Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 14:54
it's not 'FIRM' at all - you need to read this thread a bit more carefully :)
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Follow Up By: Ron173 - Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 16:51

Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 16:51
Adverts on all local radio stations say 28th final.

I work for a LARGE organisation which is all cdma at present, we are being issued with next G phones which will be switched on in sections.

The last wave of switch ons is the 28th, co-incidence.. I think not.

I wouldnt want to be relying on a cdma phone on Jan29th:)))))))
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Follow Up By: pathfinder - Thursday, Jan 10, 2008 at 08:58

Thursday, Jan 10, 2008 at 08:58
there is a reason why Telstra has been required to change it's advertising to 'planned' to turn off on the 28th...as stated elsewhere on this thread, the decision is not theirs and will be made by Conroy in the next week or so. Of course Telstra is playing heavy and making it seem like a fait accomplit...which it probably is, but it's not 'firm' as yet, and I'll be holding out for as long as possible as I don't want to be locked into a dud handset contract for the next two years when superior handsets will inevitably come on-line in the next six months. This is a case of where being an 'early adopter' has not been an advantage for many. It only takes a day to get a new handset; if Conroy confirms the 28th, I'll get a new handset before the 28th. Simple...
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Follow Up By: pathfinder - Thursday, Jan 10, 2008 at 09:01

Thursday, Jan 10, 2008 at 09:01
of course a large organisation has to assume the 28th as it takes time to do these changeovers and they can't leave it to the last minute (and Telstra is undoubtedly offering businesses much better incentives than the cr*ppy incentives they are currently offering to individuals). However, most of the people on this forum are individuals (some more individual than others!) and we can afford to wait until the last minute.
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Reply By: Member - John G- Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 14:10

Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 14:10
G'day George

Article on p2 of today's Australian says that the Government will get two reports today on this topic, and concludes "The Government must make its decision by January 21".

Report 1 - the Australian Communications and Media Authority report - had to consider amongst other things whether Telstra's new network was offering the same of better coverage to regional mobile users.
Report 2 - by the Dept of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy (wow!) which "has been testing the retail servcies offerred by Telstra in regional Australia to make sure customer service and the mobile coverage being offerred are up to scratch". Presumably the report covers the testing, but you gotta love a criterion of "up to scratch".

Two reports!! - perhaps Sol T believes in divide and rule

Cheers
John
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 14:43

Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 14:43
Telstra shops have a new special - $100 call credit if you buy a 6120 before Jan 28.

Obviously they want as many people as possible to convert now, in case the Govt doesn't allow them to close on Jan 28 !

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 18:30

Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 18:30
Hope they provide a toothpick to use for dialling numbers, what a ridiculously small keypad the 6120 has!
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 22:12

Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 22:12
Shaker they are all getting like that.
I need my glasses to read the damn thing let alone deal with fat fingers on small key pads. :-)
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Sunday, Jan 13, 2008 at 08:55

Sunday, Jan 13, 2008 at 08:55
Telstra's getting keener - they're now offering $50 off the Samsung A411 if you upgrade from an existing CDMA prepaid service - plus $10 credit.

If you upgrade from an existing CDMA postpaid to NextG postpaid you get $100 credit.

I'm still holding out for better offers in the week before closure - or the week after.
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Sunday, Jan 13, 2008 at 15:20

Sunday, Jan 13, 2008 at 15:20
. . . . . two weeks to CDMA closure and the offers keep getting better.

Starting Jan 14th JBHiFi are selling the Samsung A411 prepaid for $100 off the original price - $99 ! Yes, it does have the blue tick.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 16:12

Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 at 16:12
I could almost go for that at that price Mike - but our JB-Hi in Melbourne doesn't know anything about that deal - might be specific to certain stores
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