GPS in car nav systems

Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 12:44
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Hi All, your advice is sought on purchasing car nav products.

What maps are included, map update costs or no cost options if any.
Navman models etc. vs. Garmin and others, warranty claim problems and the like.
I'm about to commence around Oz trip via Cap cities and mostly black roads through Ranges country using Prado with 7.5m onroad c/van.
Thanks , Molchucky
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Reply By: Member - Alan H (Narangba QLD - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 13:09

Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 13:09
Maybe a Garmin which comes with city navigator is all you will need if staying on the blacktop. eg Nuvi 760. This has the 4 inch screen while items like SP7200 are 7 inch screens if you are blind like me.

Navigation out bush with moving map etc is a another world and different hardware and software.

OZTOPO V2 which is still coming (mid-Jan) maybe worth a look for more detail on maps other than just streets.
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Reply By: Member - Pixie - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 13:23

Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 13:23
have been researching this myself lately

a big factor is whether you will be using a PDA or laptop or relying on the navigator screen itself for mapping

the setup i am looking at is a simple Garmin GPS60 with OziExplorer and a set of raster maps, perhaps the DVD set from Hema and accessing them through a laptop. I will also print out some hard copies of the maps before I do my trip so that I cen review both.

Another option is Garmin GPSMap60 (bit more expensive unit and comes with a map manager) with MapSource - but from what I have read OziExplorer is the "standard".

Otherwise, there's plenty information on the internet that you can search through.
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Follow Up By: Member - Pixie - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 13:26

Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 13:26
oops!!

the GPS60 won't do navigation but the GPSMap60 will.

another factor is how much you want to spend...
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (FNQ) - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 14:09

Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 14:09
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OziExplorer will NOT and cannot be run with a Garmin map60 unless you have OziExplorer on a laptop . Besides as far as I'm concerned OziExplorer has run it's course , you would be better of getting a unit that run OZtopo V2 , not released just yet but will be far superior , have a browse in my webpage, I'm sure you will learn a lot there .

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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 20:08

Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 20:08
Doug,

Bit of a narrow perception matey.

OziExplorer is always being updated with additional functionality and has certainly not run it's course.

There is also TrackRanger which is apparently very good, although I have not tried it and probably wont.

Now, as far as Garmin is concerned I have little doubt that it is probably the best GPS system to buy for a total City/Countrywide package as a one unit solution.

Having said that though, is it a practical device where you can run both applications at the same time and swap between them?

If not, two separate devices are the more practical (and more expensive) solution.

I have tried running multiple applications on a PDA and could not access OziExplorer until I shut TomTom Navigator 6, or CoPilot 6 down. Both these applications take over the full PDA screen and you cannot get at the switcher bar.

I now successfully run OziExplorer on the PDA (or laptop) for countrywide travel and have a separate TomTom device for voice guided City navigation.


Pixie

OxiExplorer does not come with its own maps. You need to add something like NATMAP Premium Raster to have moving map capability.

To my knowledge, OziExplorer is still the pseudo standard for the ExplorOz site if you wish to create and submit Treks.

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Follow Up By: Member - Pixie - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 21:56

Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 21:56
DougT - thank you. I was of the understanding that Mapsource Trip and Waypoint Manager managed maps for the GPSMap60. But that appears to be incorrect. I have been reading that OzTopo V2 has been due for some time and is now imminent. If it comes out in the very limited time left for me then i will have a closer look at it. I understand that OziExplorer has been around for a while but I am happy to use that if it is what's available to me before i leave. I have had a look at your site and will have another look.

Sandman - thank you. i am also aware that you need something like raster maps. I understood that the Hema raster map packs could be exported to provide a similar map base to the NatMap. i will look into it further.

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 22:19

Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 22:19
"Besides as far as I'm concerned OziExplorer has run it's course"

LOL

Gidday DougT

Good to see you are still at your OziExplorer bashing best!

Weather in Townsvilles a bit sad at moment, but enjoying change in scenery, got fried on first day and now soaking wet! All good fun.

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PS new version of OziExplorerCE just release 2 days ago - amazing NEW features - have you tried it?
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (FNQ) - Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 23:32

Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 23:32
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G'Day, No I hav'nt tried it and I won't be , just can't wait to get the good gear ....when it's released, mate I'm a zoomer , like to be able to zoom in the map , I see the OziExplorer is a Download Software 5.0 MBytes, OzToppo is 1700 MBytes, gotta be something bloody good in that,


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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Thursday, Jan 10, 2008 at 16:59

Thursday, Jan 10, 2008 at 16:59
OK Doug, I'm gunna bite again.

You are comparing a navigation engine (OziExplorer) of 5.0MBytes with a Topographical map source. (1700 MBytes)

That's why there is a large difference in size.

With OziExplorer you still need the map source component and the accuracy is as good as the digital maps used.

Personally, I have found NATMAP Raster Premium (supplied on two DVD's, so it's bloody big in size) to be very good wherever I have travelled, be it through the centre, or up in FNQ.

Now I'm not going to state there isn't something as good or maybe even better around the traps, but for $120 for a PC based tracking software application and a version that also runs on Windows Mobile and a product that is made and supported in Australia. And runs on any hardware that supports Windows, or Windows Mobile. It is also "open" in that it will accept any digital map you load and in that way is non proprietary.

Pretty bloody good I think.

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (FNQ) - Thursday, Jan 10, 2008 at 17:15

Thursday, Jan 10, 2008 at 17:15
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You or any one else hasn't seen OzToppo yet , but I have my belief it is better, even the old T4A , no laptop needed, it's all there on the GPS , you can argue/debate, I can argue/debate, and nothing will come of it , The main thing is if your happy with what you have then that's fine with me, the other thing is that while all our posts are flying back and forth everyone else in the thread is getting pestered with our comments if they have email notification , so lets make your reply the end ,

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Saturday, Jan 12, 2008 at 09:06

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Hello Doug –“
“so lets make your reply the end”

If you continue to make baseless comments on how bad/useless OziExplorer is, expect to be challenged continually. Don’t expect people not to correct your misinformation just because you tell them to stop.

As Sandman correctly points out (and as I have told you before) OziExplorer is a GPS Mapping PROGRAM. OztopoV2 is a Garmin specific MAP DATASET. They cannot be directly compared. If you were to make a comparison you would probably best to compare OziExplorer with Garmins Mapsource which has some similar functionality.

The current Garmin Mapsource update is a 47MB download, which makes a mockery of your statement “OziExplorer is a Download Software 5.0 MBytes, OzToppo is 1700 MBytes, gotta be something bloody good in that”

Anyway, don’t think file sizes of any consequence in this discussion anyway so not sure why you have chosen to mention it, maybe because you have no other valid argument to justify your comment that “OziExplorer has run its course” or some of your previous bagging such as “OziExplorer is “cr*p”.

As has been mentioned before – get the setup that best suits our needs. All the various GPS navigation setups have their good and bad points. Hard part is obviously getting good, unbiased advice.

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Reply By: DesF - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 15:00

Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 15:00
Hi, garmin seem to be the best ( 2 mates have them, C510 and a Streetpilot 2610) as you can add offroad maps
( 4TA or Shonky Maps )to them, Shonky Full Topo is good and it is a free down load. but if you only want main roads and towns then a Tom Tom one V3 will do the job ,voice directions , speed alert , red light camera's etc, you can get them for about $330.00 now.
only draw back I can see on mine is that the SD card is inside and you can only add Tom Tom maps to it. you have to buy the 2008 update but all the safety and POI's are free downloads.
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Reply By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 15:50

Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 15:50
What I did years ago when I went through this process is looked at this way.
How often will I use
What maps do I need
How much detail do I need on the maps
Do I need turn by turn navigation
Can I create my own route
Can I add my own waypoints for down the track

The conclusion that I came to was that there's no perfect unit to do it all. I started out with a very basic garmin etrex and that was good enough at the time but it didn't do voice and I didn't think the maps was good enough. I always wanted a in car computer so I set off and started that project. Now I have a in car PC with a touch screen coming out of the radio DINN slot running windows XP from my laptop that's stored under the seat. I have an external GPS mouse unit that plugs into the laptop. When I am out and about I use the laptop with oziexplorer and the latest Hema DVD maps and in the city I use my navman for turn by turn directions. I still use the Etrex because it's so portable it's great to go for a walk and know exactly that you won't get lost or when you go fishing at night up the beach you can mark your cutting very easily and find your way back.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 20:24

Tuesday, Jan 08, 2008 at 20:24
I have a Garmin GPSMap60CS with City Navigator and it will do all that.

I also have Ozi for very remote travel well off the beaten track, thats on a PDA. The Garmin is a purler
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Reply By: pprass - Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 14:18

Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 at 14:18
For simplicity sake - just get a TomTom and don't complicate yourself with Ozie etc (even though we do!). It takes a while to master all of this equipment let alone setting it up. TT is intuitive and simple to operate and we have found that the maps are very good including off road tracks in some areas.

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