Pigs on Frazer Island

It's not just backpackers mate, there's plenty of other people that do it as well... I enjoy my beer out of glass as well (Extra Dry just like your good self) but I never take glass camping for this very reason (plus cans stack better in the Engel).

Why is there automaticly an assumption that the backpackers cause all the problems??

I don't think it would be backpackers they can't afford beer, they only drink out of cardboard boxes.

Regards
Rocky

Dave,
During the past 20 years I have only been on Fraser Island around 15 times. I have hiked it 6 times, totalling over 300 kms. Driven it 6 times and done the backpacker trips when it was comfortable with 8 people in the troopie.
I am not instantly asuming it is the backpackers that cause most of the problems. I am Confirming they are a major Contributor as I have had to make sure they have grabbed all thir rubbish when I was travelling with them. They were happy to leave the rubbish behind.
Even the last trip I did up there in 06 there were 2 troopies full and when they left they also left part of them behind. which I promptly picked up and put in the back of the ute.
Ripped cans can also do damage to peoples feet. I have had the base of my feet torn open on a ripped can only on Fraser.
I am not saying it is only the backpackers but they are a major contributor.
I have seen it when I have been walking and since I have only had a backpack I could not take the rubbish out.
I think maybe the National Parks should look more into there rubbish management plan before banning glass. They are charging us enough to camp there. But yes I understand if the parks do make more of an effort in thier rubbish management they will impose another charge on us.
Peter

I alerted QPAW to the rubbish I didn't pick up, the rubbish on the beach and the unsightly view of the Eurong Resort rubbish area.

I expressed my opinion about glass in areas such as Frazer Island and alike.

The rubbish bin areas provided were clean.

The rubbish I collected was not from Backpackers as the contents would have suggested, it looked like rubbish left behind by disgruntled people who were told to leave before the bad weather.

98% of Backpackers I have taken on tour in the last 15 years, had a great respect for the environment and the Australian bush.

Cheers Steve.

I usually find that the fraser backpackers are a lot better behaved that the locals (of the same age) that go there in groups.

R.

i agree no glass at major events any more either,all plastic or cans (cans cool down faster anyway) helll i went to one yesterday and we got our water in plastic glasses from a plastic jug and this was only a body corporate meeting!!!!!!!!

Hi all
It is a shame that people don't take there rubbish with them .
The Toyota & Park Rangers Plus 4x4 Clubs clean up is on this weekend coming
I am missing this year put been the last 3 years ,
The Island is getting worst which is sad.
The year 2006 32 M3 Tonnes Rubbish was pick up 250 to 300 4x4 ,about 500 Club members .
Last year 2007 57M3 Tonnes & approximately 500 4x4 & just under a 1000 People @ the clean up all worked about 1 Hour each so that's a lot plastic & rubbish

I am actually saddened by the fact that some people are more worried that my opinion on glass in these areas, and the fact that they would be put out if they couldn't drink from a stubby, is more important than the fact that people had left their rubbish about.

I had 3 weeks holiday planed after Fraser Island, This could have turned pear shaped if either of us had been seriously cut because of someone else's broken stubby.

All I ask is, that people consider my opinion on this, I haven't change the rules and can't change them.

A plea from a father please don't take glass into these areas.

Cheers Steve.

>> A couple of years ago my crew decided to try to take cans of beer. Within one day it was agreed we'd never do that again, the beer just wasn't the same.

Why?

Why?

Simple answer, the beer out of a can tastes only half as good as that out of glass. Thats just our opinion, some may like it out of a can, maybe its what your used to.

Truckster, beer out of cans taste rubbish. Thats why VB comes mostly in cans. Because it tastes crap anyway and you don't lose much flavour. It is best to pour VB straight down the toilet and save the middle man.

what a load of wank ,if vb tastes that bad on the trip from cans either you've picked the wrong spot or in the wrong company thats leaving a bad taste in your mouth

Nice assumtion I drink VB.. Thats like saying Fosters is THE ONLY Australian beer to drink...

To me, doesnt make bleep difference what it comes out of, if I lower myself to beer I couldnt give a rats carrot what it came out of.

Plenty of nice beers in cans, plenty of nice beers in bottles.

You should try a South Australian beer Truckster. Like Coopers for example.

I haven't missed your point steve.

Whilst i agree with the other comments that its not all backpackers, on our last trip to fraser (only 3 weeks ago) we had nothing but trouble with backpackers.

We stayed at Central station for 4 nights, the backpackers who rolled in every day in they overfilled troopy's ignored all the 9pm curfews, left rubbish everywhere, including the shower blocks. I day we couldn't even get into the shower block, because 10 BP's decided not to bother setting up the little tents, just to camp, cook, clean and whatever else you can imagine in the shower block.

The ranger was all but powerless, when he confronted them, they threatend him.

The following morning the enforcement officers rocked up in force, and its was on. All the backpackers were kicked out.

Unfortunately it was our last day - and I for one will never camp in a designated campground on fraser again - its the beach for us or nothing.

Getting back to the point of this thread, this trip we opted to camp in a campground so the missus had some luxury, and we didn't have to worry as much about the kids with Dingoes (Central station is fenced)

Instead, one of the issues we had to deal with was not to step on broken glass, as these unrespectful idiots thought it okay to dissgard their empties wherever they finished them - when i confronted them about it they said they couldn't take it to the big bins as they had nothing to put the empties in, and the rangers would come and pick it up anyway. When i pointed out to them they might be fined, they said well were only here once so we dont really give a SxxT.

That made me irrate, and next thing i know i had 10 backpackers jump out of a troppy, mostly hot headed poms full of beer, ready to have a go.

I'm no little bloke, and can hold my own, but my missus and little boy were with me so it wasn't worth taking it any further - but this points out that their are a lot of idiots who go camping on fraser, and if glass was banned, it would at least provide one less issues to deal with (its a lot easer to pick up left over cans, that to pick up all the broken pieces of glass left behind by smashed bottles).

I never take glass stubbies with me when camping. I do agree it tastes different in a can, so instead I take my beer glass with me. I keep the glass wrapped in a towel in the esky. That way i can still drink my beer out of glass, crush the cans (easier to take out your rubbish) and only have one potential glass item to break.

Oh, and finally .... just to help you all understand why i am getting on my soapbox about this ... as we were leaving the campground, we stopped at the toilet block for a quick visit, and my 6YO son managed to step on a piece of glass, that went right through his thong, and embedded in his foot. When i went back into the toilet to see where the glass came from, i found a smashed bottle in the cubicle my son went in, and there were also red smear marks on the floor (looked like blood) where someone else had also stepped on the glass.

If any of you are upset if glass gets banned - how would you feel if your 6YO screamed for an hour in pain, and then had to have shots, and a series of blood tests to ensure he has not contracted anything.
(If your a parent, you will understand the point i am making here) We now will have some time of uncertainty and several follow up tests before we know for sure he has not contracted anything.

I for one now have no issue with banning glass beer bottles from national parks.