Possible change to the WA Firearms Act
Submitted: Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 15:53
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Member - Kim M (VIC)
Recently read the following article on a web site:
'The Western Australian Police Department has received 500 submissions on possible alterations to the Firearms Act.
Police say the Pastoralists and Graziers Association and the WA Farmers Federation are among the many to have made submissions.
The police are conducting a review of 32 items in the Act, including limiting the number of firearms and amount of ammunition allowed by a licence holder.
The farmers' federation says it wants to prevent licensing becoming too difficult for farmers since guns are an essential tool in agriculture.
Police say farmers' comments are being investigated and the results will be included in a report due to go to the Police Minister by the middle of this year'.
Regards
Kim
Reply By: Richard Kovac - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 16:10
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 16:10
Kim
Why not post it on guns R us web site????
There trying to get number of firearms and amount of ammunition limited down to 500 guns and 10000 rounds per person... (we don't have Loins and Tigers roaming around anymore) ... :-)
that way we will know where they all are.. LOL
oh and it's alway good to quote source
Cheers
Richard
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Follow Up By: Member - Kim M (VIC) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 16:47
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 16:47
Gidday Richard
I haven't had a chance to read the terms of reference, but I think it may have something to do with taking hand gun licenses away from Station owners. If that's the case, I wouldn't support the proposition.
Hand guns are used by many pastoralists to put stock down, and used as a tool to protect station staff, particularly during the muster season.
Regards
Kim
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 19:50
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 19:50
Eveyone can see the web site.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 21:21
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 21:21
sheer ignorant post i needed to show reason if i want to have 2 guns of the same type for example if upgrading and holding 2 firarms the same type while selling the superceded one.
500 firearms just aint possible
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 22:05
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 22:05
Davoe. settle it was only a joke
fish takes the hook.. :-((
Kim just like stir the place with he's crap post...
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 22:13
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 22:13
usually only Hairy answers them , but today I was bored..LOL
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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 17:05
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 17:05
Gday Kim,
How dare you speak of such
tools of death on a 4wd site!
Shame Kim Shame.
LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - Kim M (VIC) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 17:29
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 17:29
Hairy
I was rejected by the Sympathy Tree not all that long ago....Buggar!
How many mornings I woke up and hugged that tree after a robust night out.
Now I find the Shame Bucket doesn't want to talk to me either.
What's a man to do?
LOL
Regards
Kim
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 17:45
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 17:45
ROFLMAO
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Reply By: Dunco (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 18:46
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 18:46
Who cares about Guns....
And they are AUSTRALIAN GUN laws, not W.A.
It all changed many years ago whn all the Premiers got together and made a pact...don't you remember ???
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 18:52
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 18:52
Dunco,
Psssst .... there are differences between the States in the way they have legislated the gun laws.
Why should gun laws be any different :)))
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Follow Up By: Member - Kim M (VIC) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 19:38
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 19:38
Dunco
Whilst you may not care about Firearm laws, I do.
I'm a very strong advocate of education and introducing people into a precision sport under close scrutiny.
At least we don't suffer from drug problems.
I've watch many a man bring his son to the rifle range and bond with the kid through a common interest, and structured education.
So I'm not sure what your going on about.
Regards
Kim
Regards
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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 20:12
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 20:12
What I am on about is ...I don't believe that there is a place for firearms in our society, except where it is needed by farmers and Law Enforcement. My opinion and thoughts.
I speak with experience
I do not criticise you for your opinion.
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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 20:14
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 20:14
And BTW...are you saying that NO person that owns a Firearm within a Firearm club suffers from drug problems ???
Wow, huge statement !!!
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 20:47
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 20:47
>I don't believe that there is a place for firearms in our society
Do you believe there is a place for knives and hammers or do you limit your objection to the one object?
Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 20:51
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 20:51
Hi Mike.. firearms.. you can kill many persons from a distance,,
knives and hammers maybe one or two if your good enough..
I think we should start at guns for now,,
Richard
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 20:54
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 20:54
So you would be against bow and arrows too Richard?
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 20:55
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 20:55
And after firearms and bows and arrows it would be knives and hammers would it...?
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 21:23
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 21:23
another ignorant post gun laws ARE NOT UNIFORM AUSTRALIA WIDE
if you dont know- dont post
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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 21:47
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 21:47
Read my post again... I DO NOT CRITICISE YOUR OPINION.
Typical gun nut wants to argue about everything. I have my right to an opinion and I voiced it. And once again I stated I do not criticise your opinion...or can't you read that ?
If you want to use a gun and teach your kids, go right ahead....your life old son.
Go away and have some fun shooting some cardboard targets and leave me alone now...no more on this subject from me.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 21:56
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 21:56
>no more on this subject from me.
I await your silence with enthusiasm.
Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 22:06
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 22:06
And they are AUSTRALIAN GUN laws, not W.A.
Your words not
mine and what you call your opinion is in fact an erronous statement
i am not a gun nut but a pistol shooter which is a sport both i and my mum and dad enjoy
As a butcher i will show you my 12 inch steak knife
- At work it is a tool
- at
home it is a utensil
- if so used for unlwfull purposes it is a formidable weopon (actually i could kill far more easily with that than my pistol)
soooooo which is it
- tool, utensil or weapon
same gos for my pistol
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 22:07
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 22:07
>So you would be against bow and arrows too Richard?
yes why do we need them now we have guns?
Richard Kovac
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Reply By: OldMike2 - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 21:14
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 21:14
Oh dear,
There is only one answer to the anti gun group........Wrong.
Remember, the yanks tried to ban grog once.
The logic, if applied, says 4WDs with a mass greater than 1.5t should be banned because people are killed by them.
Mike
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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 22:06
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 22:06
Kim/Mike,
I hope neither of you are involved in ANY official capacity with the SSAA regarding the promotion of gun ownership etc. I'd hate to think my annual dues etc were in any way directed at supporting your methods or behaviour.
No wonder people like Dunco etc have such a low opinion of "gun nuts".
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Follow Up By: Member - Kim M (VIC) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 22:28
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 22:28
Al
What on Earth are you talking about? Go back to my post and the follow up.
Kim
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 22:45
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 22:45
Kim,
I don't think this subject ( Firearms ) is relevant to this site. My opinion only.
Sit back and look at how the post deteriorated into the usual rantings from both sides. The problem with that is that OUR side will ALWAYS come out losing.
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 22:49
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 22:49
Gramps Hi,
"I don't think this subject ( Firearms ) is relevant to this site." My opinion as
well... :-((
Regards
Richard
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Follow Up By: Member - Kim M (VIC) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 23:20
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 23:20
Of course it is.
What next, I can't take Damn Dog away with me and have a bit of a chat around the fire...!
Go back and read the post. There's no difference in the bush between a shovel and a gun. Depends what you do with it. A few of you need to get your head around that.
Some of you fellas need to get off the tourist trail an make a bit of a connection with the bush.
Kim
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 23:59
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 23:59
gees Kim, thats a big statement from some old fella living
Melbourne...
There is no need to carry a gun in Australia, for any other reason them law in forcement... thats it... and some workers, the rest are just cock in hand types..
you must be old enough by now to get over it...
It you don't know the difference between a shovel and a gun, maybe it's time to had the licence in..
Richard
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 00:38
Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 00:38
gee richard just today i shot rapid fire (olympic sport) for the first time under the new rules as
well as ran the range for a state and internatiuonal shooter.
I was happy with the fact i was able to shoot a decent score for my first time
i didnt realize in your eyes we were nothing but blood crazed gun toting rednecks
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 01:00
Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 01:00
well sport shooter are sort of OK. one of the owners of the place I work, is a state champ, small
bore, big
bore standing on he's head type of stuff...
But
hay he's starting to go mad, got a small lathe so he can modified shells to sell to other shooter,, starting to get weired. (me thinks)
spends stinking hot days up at north of Mucka with a mate, just to shoot ferry animals at night (that way they (the animals)can't see them)
it seems like a bit of breakback Mt going on to me, but every man to he's own, or two... lol
By the way I've been told never to use that name again on this
forum..
so I never said it.. OK
Cheers
Richard
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 06:55
Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 06:55
"Some of you fellas need to get off the tourist trail an make a bit of a connection with the bush"
And so speaks the great wannabe bush hero. You have absolutely no bloody idea.
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Reply By: 96 GXL 80 series - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 23:09
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 23:09
Cars and Trucks kill more people each year on our roads, so are you going to have a Buy back on them this year?
Firearms don't kill, it is the person behind the trigger.
Shooting is one of the safest hobbies / sports in the world.
Drop the licence crap and bring back the fatherly son thing again.
Since the buy back more people are being robbed / bashed because the people doing it know that even if you have a firearm it has to be locked away.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 23:45
Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 23:45
yep when i lived in a caravan as caretaker of a pistol club all the uninformed assuming gun hatters like those rplying here assumed i was packing heat in case of a break in. i would try and get it through there thick heads by the time i had got out of my van walked 40 meters to the club unlocked the door then unlocked the safe then -
well you get the idea
- No in case of breakins i had a sturdy metal bar and a 12 inch butchers knife
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Follow Up By: Oldsquizzy (Kununurra) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 00:02
Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 00:02
Anyway why would you shoot the thieving mongrel. to quick.
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 00:03
Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 00:03
Davoe,,, LOL
I can't belive you used those words "packing heat" .. lol
do you live in the mighty US of A now..
gees get over it...
Have a nice day
Richard
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 00:34
Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 00:34
Nope they are actuaiily the words of an uninformed anti gunner asking me how i protected the club.
Fact is yhe kalgoorlie brothers wernt dumb enough to thive while someone was there and would wait till i left. come and pull the power plug from the van and wait - when nothing happened they would start a thieving
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Follow Up By: 96 GXL 80 series - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 01:05
Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 01:05
Hi Davoe,
I wouldn't let them worry you as they are blind and don't want to see.
There are more Australians out there with cars / trucks what ever that can kill and do so every day than there are firearms owners.
At least we have more genuine friends out there with the same interests than motorists do, look at the road rage. Also some of the maniacs behind the wheels of some of the cars and some of the cowboys behind the wheels of some of the trucks.
How many vehicles be it cars or trucks do you see compared to a firearm left in the driveway / street ready waiting to be stolen.
Who has to have a safe to lock items away in? not just a garage or carport or whatever.
Items in the kitchen drawer can kill as
well and do it without any noise, so what is safer?
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Reply By: Alan H - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 11:00
Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 11:00
I love those gun control turkeys, they really can't see past their own pet hate and allow others to get their enjoyment in other ways.
I no longer shoot but cannot see how even more regulation of licenced gun owners is going to either save lives or stop crime as criminals don't obey laws of any kind.
And if someone really wants to top themselves, if a gun isn't available they'll do it in some other way.
If they open their eyes and minds and really look and learn they'll find gunowners are probably at the very bottom of the list of those most likely to go mad and shoot someone else.
But there's nothing like more regulations to satisfy the killjoys amongst us who because they don't want to so something no one else should either!
Not much to do with 4bys but certainly produces some entertainment.
Alan.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 18:27
Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 18:27
Hi Alan
That’s what frustrates me about these people. They have a childish view of firearms in that they believe if we were to remove all legally owned firearms society would suddenly become a “better place”. In psychological terms it’s transference of social responsibility onto an inanimate object and is, clearly, irrational.
Legal firearm owners in Oz are very rarely responsible for criminal activity with their guns, the problem occurs with people who obtain illegal firearms and that would not be changed by removing guns from responsible owners. One cannot imagine a 6’2”, tattooed “bikie” saying “I’d better not take the sawn off shotgun on this job because I don’t have a licence” :)
We need to understand it is not guns or knives or baseball bats or iron bars or C4 explosive or petrol bombs which are the issue… it’s people! And it is impossible to legislate in a manner which prevents bad people doing bad things – making explosives illegal doesn’t stop people making bombs, does it?
Mike Harding
PS. Kim – I suggest you ignore, he never posts anything of 4WD/bush use, merely one-liners or vitriol.
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