Alcohol in restricated places

Submitted: Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 16:36
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Can you still carry alcohol in vehicles into restricated areas for your personel use.

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Reply By: DIO - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 16:41

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 16:41
NO.

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Follow Up By: Axel [ the real one ] - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 16:55

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 16:55
Thats a good read , but it does not actually state that you can not transit the area with booze , only that certain areas are classed as dry and it is forrbidden to consume ,, two totally different aspects of a conundrum.
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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 17:13

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 17:13
This is an open question.

Can you take alcohol into Arnhemland? the answer is no, But you can have alcohol at Gurig N.P. how do you get it there as you can't buy it there, The answer is take your chances.

Can you drink Alcohol on aboriginal land in the N.T. no can you carry it through and consume it on the other side yes, (Except Arnhemland I believe ????) the answer is at the northern land council.

If you are talking about the N.T. ring the northern land council on 0889792410 or the central land council on 0889516211.

Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: theanimal - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 19:08

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 19:08
I suppose if you can't spell RESTRICTED you could always claim you could not read the "restricted" signage??
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Reply By: Steve63 - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 17:21

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 17:21
Good question after the intervention. Be interesting to know the answer. Pror to that it was confusing enough.

Steve
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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 18:19

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 18:19
Gday ,
Technicaly No.
But as Steve said some areas you do travel through a restricted area to get to a Non-restricted area.
eg. You travel through Hermansberg restricted area to Get to Palm Valley, Boggy Hole, Merreenie Loop Road etc.
Where are you talking about?
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 18:41

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 18:41
I have a "cellar" in the back of my truck - grog is out of sight (cellar is hidden under the drawers).
Also I can't trust the people I go away with :-)))
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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 18:51

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 18:51
You know, this really gets my goat.

Can Aborigines drink alcohol in NON Aboriginal land? Yes they can.

If I take a few stubbies thru "their" land for my personal consumption I'm sure as hell not going to hand it out.

Why can't I enjoy a beer around my campfire?

Where is the discrimination here? There certainly IS a lack of equality in this country.

OK, I'll sit back and wait for the predictable accusations of racism.
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Follow Up By: Kumunara (NT) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 19:18

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 19:18
Gone Bush


Is it the choice of the Aboriginals that their land is dry or is it Government Legislation.

Did Aboriginals ask for the Federal Government Intervention?

Are there Aboriginal Communities that have licenced clubs?



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Follow Up By: Willem - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 19:26

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 19:26
Gone Bush

Your lack of education and understanding on these matters have come to the fore.

You hint at human conflict and then stand away to state that we are accusing you of rasicm. Your Friday Funny posted after Friday with reference to signs and slogans implies that you are mighty intolerant of other nationalities.

Thats my opinion.


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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 20:01

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 20:01
No Willem, that's definitely not the case. My father was not Australian.

I simply don't like inequality or people who try to bomb us.

Fairly straight forward.

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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 20:07

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 20:07
It appears that I'm offending Forum members for whom I have considerable regard. Maybe it's better to discuss these things around a camp fire where, face to face, a person's conversation can be interpreted correctly.

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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 20:19

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 20:19
Its no hard to interpret what you are saying.

You believe that a white mans law is an interruption of your life style.

For 190 years Aboriginal people were not classed as equal in this country, in fact up until 1973 it was still legal to shot them, only if you had a good excuse though.

Perhaps not having a beer on there land is a good excuse.

I am disgusted that this thread went down this road.

Steve.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 20:20

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 20:20
Not at all Gone Bush...I was merely voicing an opinion.

Whatever the rules and regulations are concerning aboriginal land, they have been put there by a consensus of opinion in a democracy. The 'them' and 'us' syndrome really gets one nowhere.

If you brought this subject up around the camp fire I would leave and go to bed as you can argue all day and get no result and it breeds contempt.

So let us keep the politics and narrow minded ideas away from this Forum which is here to promote harmony and good vibes and understanding amongst its users

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Follow Up By: Kumunara (NT) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 21:33

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 21:33
Gone Bush

We all have a right to our opinions.

The subject to alcohol on Aboriginal Land is very complex and deals with a lot of issues.

Willem has resided in the NT and Steve does. They are both aware of these issues and that is why they have expressed their opinions.

I asked a few questions to try and get you to do some research into the subject. I hope you do so that you can make more informed opinions.



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Follow Up By: cYc - Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 06:39

Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 06:39
You cant sit in a train and suck on a few stubbies like wise at the movies.
You ain't allowed to drink beer in glass at a football feid.
Just rules and if you saw the benefite to the kids in the commuinitys that have made these decisions you would think it was all worth it.

All the best
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Follow Up By: Axel [ the real one ] - Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 10:01

Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 10:01
Steve / Willem /et all , the question originally asked seems to have taken a racist response ,, why ? because the powers that be and formulate our Australian laws still formulate laws / rules / regulations on race lines , no one could claim otherwise , a section of the Australian populace [even though they are of legal drinking age ] has had prohibition enacted upon them which effectively relegates them back to 2nd class citizen's .
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Follow Up By: Member - Barnesy (SA) - Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 16:00

Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 16:00
Gone bush, the question was about transporting alcohol through restricted areas. Your opinion regarding the violation of your personal rights to having a beer around the campfire was not asked. There are a lot of complex social and political issues resulting in these alcohol laws.

Look at it from the Aborignal view; they have alcohol bans on their native land and white tourists come and bring grog in, breaking the rules. Does that put you in good favour with the local people?

If you have a problem with the rules in these areas then don't go there. Simple.

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Reply By: Treading Lightly - Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 07:41

Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 07:41
Well, what a can I have opened up here. I am heading up to the Cape in August and just wondered what was the present law re alcohol was and all I have done is opened a lot of racist comment.

Can I or not take alcohol up through the Cape for my own consumption.

Yes or no!!!!!!!

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JD
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Follow Up By: madcow - Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 08:06

Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 08:06
Yep!! Limits apply though!
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Follow Up By: cYc - Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 20:30

Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 20:30
If you are coming in through coen when you get to the quarantine station call in and see the place very interesting. You can also pick up info on all the laws.
www.liquor.qld.gov.au/Community/Qld+alcohol+restrictions
And go to this site.

All the best
Eric
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Follow Up By: kiwicol - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2008 at 11:53

Wednesday, Feb 06, 2008 at 11:53
Going up the cape is a night mare there are 11 seperate rules you need to obey. The Govt has put out 11 pamphlets to cover all the communitys you pas through. You cannot have any alchol up the top. The road house at Hells Gate has closed down due to the red tape on his liqour licence. Col
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Follow Up By: cYc - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2008 at 17:34

Wednesday, Feb 06, 2008 at 17:34
You cannot have any alchol up the top

If you take the time to read the below you might get a big supprise

Bamaga is subject to the NPA alcohol restrictions as follows:

Restricted Area - the entire Bamaga community area.

Liquor Restrictions
The possession of liquor in the restricted area is limited to a maximum of:

11.25 litres (1 carton of 30 x 375ml cans) of any strength beer and 2 litres of wine (not fortified);
OR

9 litres (1 carton of 24 x 375ml cans) of premixed spirits and 2 litres of wine (not fortified).
Premixed spirits are ready made drinks containing 5.5% in alcohol content.

The restriction applies not only to individuals but is the maximum amount that can be transported in a vehicle, boat or aircraft regardless of the number of passengers.


Liquor may be consumed at the Bamaga Tavern and the Resort Bamaga.

Dosnt seem to compicated to me

All the best
Eric
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2008 at 17:43

Wednesday, Feb 06, 2008 at 17:43
At last, someone who knows what they're talking about. Thanks Eric.

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Reply By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 08:04

Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 08:04
It's ABOUT RESPECT !


If the Communities do not want grog there, then I will respect it.

I do not have a problem about it.

Nor, am I that pig headed, that I will do anything to try and get around it.
I can relax without grog, around a campfire.

My only hope is that the dry places are clearly posted, as it can get embarrasing, or do we have to do our homework, and check with the Land Council ?

Cheers
Bucky


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Reply By: Von Helga - Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 09:36

Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 09:36
All
You need to get on to the State/Territory websites and get the right info.

I see no "personal use" provision in the attached website.
http://www.mcmc.qld.gov.au/community/search/restricted.php

Cheers
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Reply By: Holden4th - Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 21:58

Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008 at 21:58
To travel through aboriginal land you need a permit and these vary from place to place. Last May I travelled via the GCR from Perth to the Gold Coast and required two permits - one for the WA section to the NT border and one from the NT border to Yulara. Both stated my obligations involving alcohol. On the WA side I got a transit permit which basically forbade me from straying off the the main road in the WA side with a couple of exceptions. About 200 kms before Warburton I entered Ngaanyatjarra land. I decided to stay at the Warburton Roadhouse for the night which was inside their shire. The roadhouse was an enclosed site about 2 kms away from the aboriginal community of Warburton .

After settling in I wandered out to the barbecue area with a beer in my hand. Staying at the RH was a WA Govt crew surveying camel numbers and the woman in charge of the crew immediately challenged me about the alcohol I was drinking. She told me that this was illegal and that I was liable for a $5000 fine. I asked her where she got her info from and asked her to prove that what she said was actually correct. To do this I asked her to produce her permit to be in this territory (I had my permit in my glove box). Embarrassingly for her (in front of her staff) she couldn't do produce the permit. I showed her mine and asked her to show me where, on the permit, that I couldn't sit down and have a beer in this particular place. (The permit said that while I might like to refrain from drinking alcohol, it never said that I could not do so). There were no aboriginal locals on site (and nor would there be). I was in transit, I wasn't onselling to the locals and I was enjoying my right to have a quiet beer - legally according to the permit. The looks she got from her crew suggested that she had told them the same lies that she tried to pass off to me. I carried on drinking my beer with no repercussions

So the answer is simple. Get the permit (if you need it), read it carefully and if it says no alcohol may be transported through or be brought into this area then follow it! Transit permits usually allow the transportation of alcohol through indigenous areas but with caveats. The main idea is to prevent the indigenous locals in some communities accessing alcohol.
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Follow Up By: Treading Lightly - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2008 at 14:05

Wednesday, Feb 06, 2008 at 14:05
Hi Holden,

Thanks for info. I shall read all permits for alcohol drinking/transporting, and observe all directions.

Regards

JD
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