I'm supposed to drink WHAT ?

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You are broken down in a remote area with little or no water. If you're lucky you can make a bush still (tastes awful btw), or if there's little vegetation you can drink your own urine (eeew I agree).
Much of the water to be found in the bush can be fairly questionable.
(If a scantily clad bush nymphette delivers a keg of free beer then there isn't much hope...you're too far gone with heat exhaustion and dehydration)

Tonight a friend dipped what appeared to be an empty one of those water bottles that runners etc. use, into a pool of water on some concrete...pretty disgusting stuff. He then poured the water into a plastic cup and said "Here, drink this".

It was clear and clean and didn't smell. But I couldn't bring myself to drink it...so he did.

Some guff about micro filters etc.... blocking all the germs and rubbish inside. Saw the paperwork but still not convinced (he's sending me the guff by email later). Now previous reading mentions filters as one purification method but...

Does anyone know of a similar product in Australia? Are they safe enough? It's a Yank product but didn't say "FDA approved" and that worries me.
I can't see filters getting rid of germs but the paperwork reckons it does.

If they work, I could see me carrying one "just in case."

(You're right, I reeely don't want to drink my own...you know what)

If not, then it's just more snake oil.
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Reply By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 22:26

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 22:26
die
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 22:28

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 22:28
And here's to your health also, Richard. LOL
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:58

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:58
Sorry
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 00:01

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 00:01
Tis OK. I couldn't feel the pins you were sticking in that doll anyway ! :))
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 00:28

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 00:28
No No it wasn't that

it was that I didn't read your post at all before posting, just the sub edit... LOL

I didn't realise it was a infommercial . :-))

Cheers

Richard
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 15:55

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 15:55
No it wasn't an infomercial at all.
I saw it and was curious if it worked. Judging by the response of the forum, and further reasding, they certainly do.
An informercial recommends a product. I did not.
An infomercial mentions a product name and possibly a supplier.
I did not.

If it weren't for the smiley I'd be very insulted. :)

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Reply By: equinox - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 22:46

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 22:46
Hey Footy,

I would urinate in the bush still before I drank it straight. It would take a bit longer, and you would lose a bit of liquid but it would probably be worth the wait hehe..

Prevention is way better than the cure me thinks.

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Follow Up By: Footloose - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:27

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:27
Yes I totally agree with the prevention bit. Sadly, things happen :((
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Reply By: warfer69 - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 22:49

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 22:49
Hi Footloose

As A newbie

I found the Coleman collapsable water containers (20 litres) little rippers..When i go into the bush i always take that as a minimum ! Once your finished quashes down behind your seat or under lol

I though the tablets (forgot the name) where the way to go..

I suppose you'll drink anything knocking on the pearly gates !




Cheers
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:03

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:03
Iodine tablets? I don't like the taste much but you're right. Desperate times call for desperate measures I guess.
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:21

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:21
I carry a huge number of these damn tablets... 1 tablet per litre... but thankfully I've never had to use them - did try it out at home, and it's none too pleasant.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:24

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:24
I think all those kind of tablets need a scotch or two added to the water for them to work :))
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:27

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:27
Well there's a lot of the country that a scotch is not allowed to be taken... I wonder if there is an exemption if it is for medicinal use?
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:30

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:30
Good point. I wonder if anyone's been pulled up and had their medicines checked :)

Knew a Muslim guy once who used to take scotch "for his gums." He told me it was just used as mouthwash.
Enough said.
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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 22:55

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 22:55
LOL that'll teach you to be a teetotaller :)))

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Follow Up By: Footloose - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:21

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:21
Wrong argument. Most drinkers would run out of ink a hol long before they run out of water :)
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:34

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:34
Wrong assumption. Most drinkers are used to the taste of pi$$ :)))

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Follow Up By: Footloose - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:39

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:39
So you're suggesting that in an emergency that they just recycle it ? :)
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:46

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:46
Just another step towards self sufficiency.

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Follow Up By: Footloose - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:51

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:51
All together now...

Oh eco ee tai tai eh
Oh eco ee tai tai eh
Oh eco ee tai tai eco ee tooky tooky
Eco ee tooky tooky eh....
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:59

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:59
Gramps, that made me LOL.....

Just another step towards self sufficiency.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 07:05

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 07:05
Footy,

Did you find those mushrooms again :)))


Richard,

Hahahahahaha

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Reply By: Kev. (Cairns) - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:12

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:12
Strain it through a sock full of sand.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:25

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:25
A sock? After a days driving, walking etc ...eeek !
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Follow Up By: Kev. (Cairns) - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:27

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:27
I was waiting for it.

Better than someone else's !
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:33

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:33
Ok Kev, that's IT. The next truck carrying it's own purification plant will be ME. :)))))
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Follow Up By: Waynepd (NSW) - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:57

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:57
JUst be sure to pee on the sock first to wash it
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Reply By: Footloose - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:38

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 at 23:38
Thanks for all the input, guys. It's spurred me on to do some reading, and apparently such mico filters do work...up to a point.
After that point I think you're supposed to boil the water and then drop those horse pills in. (although my friend didn't...hope he's still healthy)
The filters canl only do so much I guess.
Long distance hikers also use various pumps and filters to avoid the nasties. I must check out the camping stores for the latest in developments from their point of view.
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Follow Up By: Member -Signman - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 08:59

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 08:59
Yea Footy- how many do you want??
I have a product called Hydropal (Personal Water Filtration)..
Eliminates chemical residue like chlorine & iodine as well as 99.7% of Giardia & Cryptosporidium..
and to quote the flyer "Designed for people who want to get outdoors & have the freedom to collect their water from nature, with the piece of mind of drinking clean water ".
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 09:33

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 09:33
Sounds good. 99.7% effective...with my luck I'd be the one to die of the other 0.3% of rubbish they let through !
But it's a heck of a lot better than some of the solutions proposed here :)) Thanks for that.
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (FNQ) - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 01:04

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 01:04
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 07:26

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 07:26
did he spit out or swallow
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 07:30

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 07:30
How was I to know they were filming me when I researched this topic ? LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (FNQ) - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 07:43

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 07:43
Looks like you had a shave too.


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Follow Up By: RovingOz (QLD) - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 14:48

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 14:48
Oh Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug... where do you get them
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Follow Up By: Member - Fred G (NSW) - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 17:09

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 17:09
After ten tins of XXXX that process could go on forever.....:-))))))
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 17:17

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 17:17
Not in 40-50C...you'd dehydrate pretty quickly.
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Follow Up By: Member - barry F (NSW) - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 18:19

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 18:19
Geez you bloody lot are are a sick mob!! LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncan W (WA) - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 20:00

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 20:00
The side bar movies were funnier and more educational shall we say.
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 01:37

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 01:37
An exploration co I worked for used to have straws with different levels of filters that was supposed to filter everything out - ptretty sure it said you could drink raw sewage with it
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 07:28

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 07:28
Yep, came across them when reading a bit more. Apparently they only produce a small amount of water and require a fair bit of sucking. Used in India etc
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Reply By: flappa - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 09:50

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 09:50
They do work.

Plenty of different varieties around , pumps , bottles etc.

Different levels of filter for different requirements.

They usually use these in confunction with purifying tabs.

I believe there is a pump available that is a mini desale plant.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 15:56

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 15:56
Thanks for that :)
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Reply By: mfewster - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:53

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:53
I assume that by a "bush still" you are referring to the old sheet of plastic, hole in the ground and cup technique???? I've never had to do this but always carry a sheet of clear plastic in case. Could be a problem at night. Not sure how long it takes to collect enough to keep you alive.
An Australian mob called Memtec made the world's best water filters in a whole range of sizes from small to able to deal with cities. Their systems would deal with germs. Guess what? Didn't get sufficient local support and their technology was bought up by the Yanks about 10 years ago.
Please send more info re the scantily clad nymphettes method.
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Follow Up By: Moose - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 14:23

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 14:23
"Please send more info re the scantily clad nymphettes method."
Better still - send photos!
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 15:48

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 15:48
I wish :))
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 16:05

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 16:05
I was referring to putting vegetation in a plastic bag and drinking the juices after exposing it to the sun for a while.
You don't get enough to sustain you and it tastes foul, but it's quick and easy. Unfortunately there isn't much suitable vegetation (large green leaves mostly) in many remote areas.
The plastic sheet method also needs a large amount of resources for a decent drink. Perhaps a combination of the two might keep you alive if it's not too hot and you don't move much...and you wear that sheet I posted about prevoiusly, but neither beats 40-100L of pure cool water.
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Reply By: Member - Howard T (QLD) - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 12:08

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 12:08
GDay Footloose

My missus has been looking at/for these bottles. From what I can understand they are distributed by some company called Mannetech who sell some sort of health product.

Cheers

Howard.


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Reply By: Rut Tearer - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 14:28

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 14:28
Whilst I'm all for preparation and what if's etc etc, I do too much of it myself but I would have thought with Water you shouldn't go anywhere without it..! Travelling to any remote locations I would want communications equipment to suit, water and supplies for a few days. There are plenty of ways to cater for what if's when away, freeze dried stuff etc etc, but plenty of water.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 15:47

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 15:47
Water tanks can get holes and leak, containers rub through etc. Go for a walk and lose your way back. Plan to replemish your supplies and no water around etc etc etc , as I've said before, stuff happens.
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Reply By: mfewster - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 17:00

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 17:00
OK, what I mean by a bush still is a little different and has no taste issue.Dig a hole about 2 feet by 2 feet and about 1 1/2 feet deep. Fill the hole with greenest available leaves and/or open containers containing contaminated water. the wider the open face of the containers, the better. Right in the middle of the hole put the cup you are going to fill with drinking water. Cover the hole with clear plastic sheet, with a stone in the centre above your drinking cup (weigh the edges of the plastic down with stones and sand so it sits tautly on top of the ground (sealed around the edges) with the lowest point being above where it is weighed down by the stone above your cup.
Water will evaporate from the contaminated liquids and the leaves, if you use these. It will then condense on the underside of the plastic and run down to the lowest poiint, from where it will drip down into your cup. This will be fresh distilled water. Obviously the bigger the hole you have with the largest supply of leaves or suspect water, the quicker your collection will be. Not sure that even this will be good enough to purifythe urine from some of you.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 17:15

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 17:15
I'm familiar with it. The same difficulty with volume of vegetation remains. Basically the condensation method isn't terribly effecient, so the end result in remote areas is a lot of work for little return :(
I imagine it works better with a lot of leafy trees around.
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Reply By: Louie the fly - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 18:11

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 18:11
Footy, I bet you wouldn't knock back the change to go out and drink a heap of P*ss with your mates. So what you worryin about?
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Follow Up By: Louie the fly - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 18:14

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 18:14
that was mean't to say "the chance". CFS syndrome...
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Reply By: Member - Kim M (VIC) - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 20:49

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 20:49
Gidday Footy

You stirring up the natives again?

I've only been bushed a couple of times in my life, but I can tell you, that when your lips start splitting, and there's no piss left in you, the last thing your going to worry about is the quality of the water.

What we need is a 'Anti Murphy' contraption to over come all these issues.

LOL

Regards

Kim
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 20:55

Thursday, Feb 21, 2008 at 20:55
Hi Kim. You're right of course. But there's nothing worse than drinking from a flowing creek and then finding a dead animal upstream. You end up with all kinds of nasties...trust me I know :((
Thats why I thought that these devices might be a good idea...they're not that exe and easily carried. Find a bore and you often find its polluted if the stockies have bypassed it for a while. etc etc etc
Anyway there's some great advice and info in EO's replies.
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Reply By: Brian Purdue - Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 08:52

Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 08:52
As I recall, there isno pipeline supplying the astronauts with water. Their body wastes are re-cycled. There must be a site on the internet that tells you how to do it.
Best thing to do is, of course, is to take twice as much water as you think you need.
Brian Purdue
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 08:59

Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 08:59
One would assume that NASA also utilize a relatively low cost affordable and available solution ?
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Reply By: Russ n Sue - Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 17:44

Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 17:44
Two things:

If you are desperate, drink the water out of your windscreen washer reservoir.

Otherwise, Google "reverse osmosis".

We paid less than $300.00 for a reverse osmosis kit that filters everything, even down to viruses and germs, from water. We use it all the time. We have a 12V pump and can make 300 litres of water per day from any source other than seawater.

That means we can fill up from a puddle, stagnant pond, stream, windmill, dam, whatever.

Cheers,

Russ.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 17:50

Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 17:50
My windscreen water usually has an addative that I'd be loathe to drink at any time. The reverse osmosis thing sounds interesting...thanks for that info.
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Follow Up By: Russ n Sue - Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 17:53

Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 17:53
Most additives to ww water are nothing more than detergents. I'd drink it before I'd drink the contents of a stagnant pond...

Cheers,

Russ.
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Reply By: Brian Purdue - Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 17:45

Friday, Feb 22, 2008 at 17:45
I regret that I am not "privy" to that information.
Brian Purdue
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