Friday, Feb 29, 2008 at 09:56
Mike,
I'll declare my bias up front, I have owned one and loved it. There always seem to be two common criticisms of the KK, that they are expensive and that the ball weight is high.
Yes they cost, but they are a long way from the most expensive camper on the market. We bought ours (a 2005 LE with plenty of extras on it) in preparation for a 6 month trip with the family. It was only 6 months old when we got it. Two years and about 40,000km later we sold it for the same price we got it for. All it cost me was rego and
insurance for two years of fairly hard use. So you need to put the cost in perspective I guess. We could have bought a camper for less than $20K, but would probably have dropped $5,000 on it. A more expensive proposition.
A lot of people mention the ball weight but as yet I haven't heard too many people tell me why this is such an issue. Regardless of what camper you get, you would be silly not to set up the vehicle's
suspension to suit the work you are doing. The same applies if you are not towing. I fitted a set of 400kg OME springs to the rear and the vehicle was beautifully balanced and the trailer towed exceptionally well. So what is the problem? The only issue was that the trailer is difficult to manouever off the car, you pretty much have to back it to the
spot you want. Sometimes I watched couples wheeling their Ultimate Campers around with relative ease and that did make me a bit jealous. Not a serious limitation though and if you are looking at the Sports RV, probably less of an issue for you.
With respect to the spare wheel issue, the answer is called 'maintenance'. In a perfect world I probably would not put the spare under the trailer (are you listening Mr Tojo?) But if you maintain the system regularly then no problem. In the same way that if you don't maintain your vehicle brakes (and 100 other things on your vehicle), they will fail when you need them.
I had some minor issues with the standard of finish on what is a premium product (particularly the over use of pop rivets on the sheet metal work), although I notice that
Kimberley seem to be using more
spot welds on the newer ones.
In our situation the camper we bought had to be able to do three main things. Offer good levels of practicality and comfort, be reliable and rugged, and sell well. The KK ticked all three boxes with flying colours. My advice when you consider the price issue is to spend some time looking at whatever camper you like on the second hand market and see how many are available and how much they bring. You pay for a good name, but so too will others when you come to sell.
Spend some time in the archives on this site and others as well. There are heaps of good campers available in this country, it seems a fairly saturated market. With that level of competition, the differences between brands are often at the margins really. Hire few to see what features suit you and your family best and go from there.
Matt.
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Friday, Feb 29, 2008 at 11:58
Friday, Feb 29, 2008 at 11:58
I must admit my latest KK (nov 07 ) isn't as good as my 05 KK when it comes to minor detail touches....maybe not paying enough to attract good staff ??
But you would have to compare the 2 together to notice !!
I looked at all the others before buying both my KK's, and I could write a list of minor details where the others didn't come up to KK's higher standard..
Bit like comparing a Kia to a BMW.....both do the job, but you know the Kia isn't built to the standard of the BMW, and thats fine for the people you want ( or can only afford ) the Kia !!
Just don't kid yourself that the Kia is as good, but then again you can have a little smirk at the money the BMW owner paid for his car !!
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Follow Up By: Patrolman Pat - Friday, Feb 29, 2008 at 15:47
Friday, Feb 29, 2008 at 15:47
Matt M (ACT) wrote
"A lot of people mention the ball weight but as yet I haven't heard too many people tell me why this is such an issue. Regardless of what camper you get, you would be silly not to set up the vehicle's
suspension to suit the work you are doing."
A mate of mine towed his KK with a 3.0 hilux (Flinders, Oodna track
Painted desert) and bent the chassis. I'm sure many have towed a KK with no issues, there may have been other factors at play. The chassis moved enough for the canopy to be visibly further away from the vehicle by the end of the trip
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Friday, Feb 29, 2008 at 15:59
Friday, Feb 29, 2008 at 15:59
Pat,
They certainly tend on the heavy ball weight end of the scale. But we are not talking about 200-300kg heavier than others. The difference is probably more in the order of 20-30kg, which I can't imagine would be enough to make such a drastic difference. A trailer with a slightly lesser ball weight (I love that term), may well have done some damage under similar conditions.
Matt.
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Follow Up By: Patrolman Pat - Friday, Feb 29, 2008 at 17:42
Friday, Feb 29, 2008 at 17:42
Agreed Matt.
We certainly travelled too quickly for the conditions for some of the trip, and found one very rutted track through the flinders which put a bit of strain on those vehicles with CTs.
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