Strong vibrations on Nissan Patrol
Submitted: Tuesday, Jun 17, 2003 at 20:16
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Shamal
Hi all,
I recently bought a 1990 Nissan Patrol (2.8 diesel, short wheelbase) and I experience a strong vibration problem: sometimes, driving on the highway at around 50-60 mph, when hitting bumps, the car starts vibrating very strongly and it is difficult to maintain control of the vehicle. The vibration only subsides when the speed is reduced down to about 10-15 mph. Braking, pressing the clutch or removing and putting the gear back in has no effect whatsoever.
Help!! Does anyone know what the problem may be?
Many thanks in advance
Shamal
Reply By: Andrew - Tuesday, Jun 17, 2003 at 20:22
Tuesday, Jun 17, 2003 at 20:22
Have you checked your wheel nuts are tight??
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Follow Up By: Shamal - Tuesday, Jun 17, 2003 at 20:54
Tuesday, Jun 17, 2003 at 20:54
Yes, Andrew. The wheel nuts are tight, and very tight at that... I can hardly get them loose :-)
Actually, the problem only appears occasionally, and always under the same conditions (driving on bumps at around 50-60 mph).
Strangely, nothing happens driving on dirt tracks (with stones and a lot of bumps) but then the speed is much lower.
A friend suggested it may be something to do with the
suspension? This model has leaf springs, not coil
suspension.
Shamal
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Reply By: tristjo - Tuesday, Jun 17, 2003 at 20:50
Tuesday, Jun 17, 2003 at 20:50
Shamal,
A couple of questions for you, what model exactly is your GQ??? The SWB GQ never came from the factory with a 2.8td, so has it had a transplant??
Is your vehicle lifted at all?? If it has been, make sure it has been done properly, and has had the castor angle corrected.
Check the whole
suspension system. Look for a broken spring, worn shockies, and worn
suspension bushes.
Another possibilty is the driveshaft.
Check to insure that it is not bent/damaged in any way, and also
check that the uni's are properly aligned.
I have heard of the usual 'GQ vibration', but this sounds much more serious.
Tristjo.
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Follow Up By: Shamal - Tuesday, Jun 17, 2003 at 21:18
Tuesday, Jun 17, 2003 at 21:18
Tristjo,
My vehicle is a Spanish manufactured 1990 Nissan Patrol SWB, with a 2.8 L six cylinder engine (diesel, not turbodiesel unfortunately). The engine model is the RD28.
The vehicle is pretty much standard, it has not been lifted as far as I can see.
I will
check the points you mention, see if something is wrong there.
Thanx a lot
Shamal
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Follow Up By: tristjo - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 12:34
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 12:34
Shamal,
Sorry mate, I didn't realise you were a user from abroad, but I guess the MPH thing gave it away!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Bonz (Vic) - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 16:47
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 16:47
Shamal I would also
check your wheel balance as sometimes you can get a "harmonic" out of balance with the wheels that vibrates the whole car.
Hope you get it sorted out, GQ shorties are awesome! Wish i had a GU shorty but they arent available in Oz.
All the bestSo many
places to go!
So much work to do :0(
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Follow Up By: Shamal - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 18:32
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 18:32
Tristjo,
Oooops... I thought you used MPHs in OZ :-) We use KMH in Spain... I thought posting with MPH would make things easier... silly me! Thanx for following up
Bonz,
I was also suspecting it could be something to do with an harmonic vibration because it seems to resonate and quickly increase in magnitude until you nearly slow to a stop. I will look into that.
Cheers,
Shamal
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Jun 17, 2003 at 21:25
Tuesday, Jun 17, 2003 at 21:25
This has been mentioned before.
But there were 100 'things' that caused it.
Check all the rubbers in the steering, front end, like control arms, etc, wheel bearings, Bearings on the swivel, steering boxes wear out on GQ's so could some of them things.
Also what are the tires like? worn, new, average? have them balanced again wont hurt.
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Follow Up By: Shamal - Tuesday, Jun 17, 2003 at 21:30
Tuesday, Jun 17, 2003 at 21:30
Thanks Vic,
looks like I'm in for a good time trying to find out what the problem may be... I hope I didn't make a wrong purchase :-(
Many thanks for your advice
Shamal
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Reply By: Eric - Tuesday, Jun 17, 2003 at 23:53
Tuesday, Jun 17, 2003 at 23:53
Shamal,
The vibration you describe is trigered by a bump and then miantianed by an out of round or out of alinment wheel or tyre, the job of the shock absorbers is to dampen out any vibrations, I sugest you swap the front tyres on to the back, and if that changes any thing look for a delaminated tyre, that is a bump in the tread, the other thing that is probably worn is the shock absorbers, disconect the front shochers and
test them by pulling them up and down with you hands, they should be hard to move quikly, Eric.
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Follow Up By: Shamal - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 00:07
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 00:07
Eric,
thanks very much for the information. I will swap tyres, and see what happens. One question though: does what you say about testing the shocks apply to the "leaf" spring type (not coil spring)? I am not sure how to try this...
Thanx
Shamal
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Reply By: desert - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 09:10
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 09:10
Sounds more like an out of balance tyre, and can be compounded by models with split rims,
check front wheel bearing clearance and most importantly, the steering damper device located on the steering connection arm. Remove this from the vehicle and clamp one end in a vise in the horizontal position, and try to work the other end in and out as quickly as you can. If you have no resistance to movement, then it is faulty. If it is stiff and difficult to move, then it's OK. Also the swinging shackle at the front of the spring pack may have excessive sideways movement. Easy to nip them up a tad and re-grease. U-bolts can also work loose, get a socket on to them and see if you get any movement out of them. Try all this and let me know how you go.
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Follow Up By: Shamal - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 18:34
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 18:34
Desert,
thanks a lot for all the tips. Looks like I will be having a busy weekend taking this beauty apart to find out what's wrong. I'll keep you posted.
Cheers,
Shamal
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Reply By: Gerry - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 10:05
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 10:05
I seem to recall that early GQ's had a problem where the support at the steering box to the chassis was inadequate and subject to a factory recall. The fix was a very substantial reinforcing bracket to prevent the chassis from cracking.
Mine, (an 89 LWB) certainly has this mod fitted. I believe the symptoms were as you have described -
check for this bracket and/or cracked chassis at the steering box.
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Follow Up By: Shamal - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 18:37
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 18:37
Gerry,
I do hope this is not the problem, because I can't really imagine Nissan in Spain taking the blindest bit of notice of me on a car from 1990!!! The other day I phoned them up to buy something as simple as an owners manual, and they said that since the vehicle is "sooo" old, they don't stock them anymore. In any case, I will look into it, and see if it is the culprit ;-)
Thanx
Shamal
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Reply By: Member - Wombat (Vic) - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 11:10
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 11:10
What sort of tyres do you have on it Shamal? We had a similar problem years ago and it turned out to be a steel belt moving inside the tyre. Once you got the wobbles up they didn't go away until you got back to a slow enough speed for the inertia to return to the belt. The first thing I would do is get a loan of a second set of wheels and tyres to see if the problem goes away. If it's still there on a second set . . . hmmm!"Live today as if there may be no tomorrow"
Wombat
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Follow Up By: Shamal - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 18:38
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 18:38
Thanx for the info, Mombat. I will try and get a friend to loan me some tyres for a
test... maybe that will do the trick... how I wish this was the cause ;-)
Shamal
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Reply By: Shamal - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 18:47
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 18:47
THANKS TO ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND USEFUL INFORMATION
Just a quick note to thank you guys for being so responsive and providing me with so much information quickly! I am impressed.
I also posted a few days ago in 3 spanish 4x4 forums, and no one has answered yet... I think I'm not going to bother with them anymore.
I will investigate based on all the tips you posted, and let you know how it goes.
Cheers,
Shamal
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Reply By: Eric - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 21:24
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 21:24
Shamal.
You asked about testing shock absorbers, There is no diference in the
test for leaf or coil springs, you disconnect the lower end of the shocker and then with your back on the ground pull and push the shocker up and down, it should move easily when slow and have a lot of resistance when moved fast. good luck, Eric.
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Follow Up By: Shamal - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 23:42
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2003 at 23:42
Eric, thanx a lot for the "hands-on" info... I will try this and see how they behave... I hope I will be able to fit them back once I am done ;-) ... only kiddin'
Shamal
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Reply By: nugget - Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 00:06
Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 00:06
A friend told me the other day on a trip away a SWB Patrol travelling with them also started to shake badly to the extent he had to return
home. The problem I believe was a worn bush in the steering box somewhere which was easy and cheap to repair. I,m sorry I cant be more specific as to the exact part though.
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Follow Up By: Shamal - Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 18:24
Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 18:24
Nugget,
thanks for the information! I will look into it, and let you know if this is the culprit :-)
Cheers
Shamal
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Follow Up By: nugget - Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 23:59
Thursday, Jun 19, 2003 at 23:59
Shamal, I actually believe the problem was a bush in the panhard rod not the steering box after asking the guy again. (He thinks so anyway)Sorry for the confusion.
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Reply By: Bruce QLD - Friday, Jun 20, 2003 at 05:03
Friday, Jun 20, 2003 at 05:03
Shamal
I had a similar problem with my patrol
check all the steering joints and tie rod ends as when i replaced the tie rod ends it was fixed. Symptoms wherer started as a very slight vibration in the steering wheel building very quickly whith bad steering wheel shake , pull over and stop. Is this what it sounds Like??
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Follow Up By: Shamal - Friday, Jun 20, 2003 at 19:21
Friday, Jun 20, 2003 at 19:21
Bruce,
what happens to my patrol is exactly as you described... actually the steering wheel shakes so bad it is extremely difficult to maintain the vehicle steady... I will look into this, and let you know how it goes.
Thanks for the info
Shamal
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