Nissan patrol 07 - 3 ltr turbo diesel - towing performance

Submitted: Sunday, Mar 16, 2008 at 00:57
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Struggled a bit to decide on the right vehicle to tow my 2t van and to use as a family car when not towing, The nissan patrol looks great, drives well when towing on the great northern h'way but when we got onto the road into Kalbarri, it literally died from 90 klms to 60 klms reving over 3000, we stopped to see if everything was all right and it was very windy. The road was slightly elevated but I wouldn't call it big hill, we thought the automatic was playing up but the nissan kept revin and drinkin like a fish for the next 100 klms. I think we are only going to get 400kmls to a tank, is this all normal or maybe the petrol was the better option, thoughts appreciated
mustang
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Reply By: sfletch - Sunday, Mar 16, 2008 at 08:13

Sunday, Mar 16, 2008 at 08:13
Had a similar problem with my Hilux. Changed the fuel filter. Problem solved for me.
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Follow Up By: mustang.sal - Sunday, Mar 16, 2008 at 23:46

Sunday, Mar 16, 2008 at 23:46
THANKS, WILL CHANGE FILTER AT FIRST SERVICE, DID READ A THREAD ON "PATROL DELIMA" AND NOW SERIOUSLY THINKING OF TAKING IT TO DIESEL MECHANIC TO PLAY WITH THE INJECTORS, FILTERS, EXXHAUST ETC AS WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE YEARS OF TRAVELLING AROUND WITH THE VAN. DO YOU RECOMMEND A BIGGER TURBO, CHEERS
MUSTANG.
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Reply By: jeepthing - Sunday, Mar 16, 2008 at 08:38

Sunday, Mar 16, 2008 at 08:38
Don't know much about Nissans so I've had a look at the specs it seems to me the problem you have is it is gutless.

According to the site I looked at the engine is producing 118kw @ 3200 - 3400rpm and only 354nm of torque 2000rpm. To me that is way underpowered to tow a 2 tonne van.

Take a Grand Cherokee 3.0l CRD for a test drive towing your van you'll get a shock, I tow a boat that is just under 3 tonne and the vehicle will walk hills in. 160kw and 510nm of torque a big difference to your vehicle.

Apart from that it is a very comfortable vehicle and the performance is incredible 0 to 100 in 9secs. In terms of fuel I have got 790 k's out of a 77litre tank. Towing my boat it's burning 14/100k so I get around 550k to a tank.

Anyway hope this helps.
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Follow Up By: mustang.sal - Sunday, Mar 16, 2008 at 23:52

Sunday, Mar 16, 2008 at 23:52
NEARLY BOUGHT A JEEP BUT THOUGHT IT WOULD BE UNWISE CAUSE WE WILL BE TRAVELLING THROUGH REMOTE AREAS AND THERE MIGHT BE A WAIT ON PARTS, IF SOMETHING SHOULD HAPPEN. HOWEVER I AM DISSAPOINTED THAT THE NISSAN 3 LTR DOES NOT HAVE MORE GRUNT.

CHEERS, MUSTANG
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Follow Up By: jeepthing - Monday, Mar 17, 2008 at 16:10

Monday, Mar 17, 2008 at 16:10
Ha ha; very funny mustang sal I've been waiting for a bite from someone!! I don't know much about this parts wait I'm on my second jeep and never needed any didn't you know jeeps don't break down.
I travel in very isolated parts of this country and I do not have any concerns about breaking down...besides under the Jeep warrantly they have to come and get me no matter where I am so I'll just set up camp and get on the turps.
You shouldn't listen to what uninformed people say about jeeps talk to the people who drive them you'll get the correct answer.
Just for the heck of it take one for a test drive I dare you!! Then enjoy your Nissan struggling up hills.
Take care.
Roscoe
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Follow Up By: jeepthing - Monday, Mar 17, 2008 at 19:44

Monday, Mar 17, 2008 at 19:44
I was having a bit of a chuckle telling my wife about your response to my post and she promptly reminded me about the Nissan Patrol being used by geoligists around Mt Augustus when we were there last year that had to be towed in from the bush. Hate to tell you this but they had been waiting a week for some part to come from Perth.
Anyway, I don't think any vehicle is bullet proof and no one can be guaranteed that they will not be the unlucky one whose vehicle does break down. Getting parts for modern vehicles in the middle of the sticks is unlikely to happen, 90% of the time they have to be sourced from a major city.
Enjoy your travels.
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Follow Up By: mustang.sal - Tuesday, Mar 18, 2008 at 23:44

Tuesday, Mar 18, 2008 at 23:44
Good one Roscoe, my better half loves the renagade but i would personally go for the grand cheroke, a bit more power. If I won lotto, which i bought a ticket tonite, i would probably buy the Hemi renegade and hammer all the vehicles in my way. Ive worked out the nissan which Im going to post on the forum 2 nite, not as bad as I thought, just have to learn how to drive her as my last 4wd i owned was 10 years back 74 year toyota. They are sooo much fun,
cheers
mustang
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Follow Up By: jeepthing - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 08:52

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 08:52
Those latest 4 door renegades are a beast and getting extremely popular, the dealer I go to can't get enough of them in fact there's waiting period now for them. They have been made for genuine off road work whereas the grands are a mix between luxury comfort and with standard lift I guess passive off road stuff. The quadra drive II is an exceptional system and in my view leaves air lockers far behind.
I went for a test drive in a hemi 5.7 V8, my previous Grand was the 4.7. They have really got some power in fact it is a bit frightening, but I settled on the 3l turbo because I do a fair bit of towing and the torque is at lower revs. Although I can tell you it has some power and is quicker than my old 4.7. I enjoy nothing more than having another brand 3l try to drag me up a hill which happens quite a bit but there really is no contest.
Anyway look forward to hearing what your problem was.
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Reply By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Sunday, Mar 16, 2008 at 08:51

Sunday, Mar 16, 2008 at 08:51
Hi Mustang

How many ks has it done, is it a 4speed auto, I currently tow a
2200kg van with the Navara, have no problems, its a manual, and
I allways monitor the tacho, I like to keep it under 3000 revs, but it
easily sits on 100ks an hour with out any effort, only problem I find
some times is going from a standing start on a incline towing the van
you might have to ride the clutch. I am also looking at getting a
new Patrol shortly, as the Cook wants an auto.

Cheers
Daza
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Follow Up By: mustang.sal - Monday, Mar 17, 2008 at 00:00

Monday, Mar 17, 2008 at 00:00
HI DAZA THE NISSAN IS DUE FOR ITS FIRST SERVICE AND IS A 4 SPEED AUTO, THE SPECS READ THAT THE MANUEL HAS MORE TORQUE BUT I WOULD HAVE TO GO FOR A TEST DRIVE FIRST TO SEE. I AM THE COOK AND I WAS INFORMED BY DEALERS THAT THE AUTO WAS A BETTER GEAR BOX FOR TOWING,
GET THE COOK TO TAKE EM BOTH FOR A TEST DRIVE .
CHEERS
MUSTANG
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Reply By: wafarmer - Sunday, Mar 16, 2008 at 10:11

Sunday, Mar 16, 2008 at 10:11
Hi mustang

I live in Kalbarri and it depends which way you are travelling into or out of the place as to how hard your engine will work as sometimes you will be surprised how steep the incline is.

Are you still in Kalbarri?

Do you have the 3 litre common rail engine?

I am interested in one of these in a tray back but in a test drive felt they were a little dead at cruising speeds.

cheer's

wafarmer

aka Ashley
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Follow Up By: mustang.sal - Monday, Mar 17, 2008 at 00:17

Monday, Mar 17, 2008 at 00:17
HI THERE, YES ITS 3 LT COMMON RAIL. WE ARE STILL IN KALBARRI AND HOPE LIKE HELL OUR TRIP OUT IS BETTER THAN THE TRIP OUT. WE TOOK THE FIRST TURN COMMING FROM THE SOUTH. WE TOOK HER FOR A RUN OVER THE SAND TRAKS TODAY AND PERFORMED WELL, THE NISSAN IS THE ULTIMATE OFFROADER
CHEERS
MUSTANG
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Reply By: disco driver - Sunday, Mar 16, 2008 at 12:37

Sunday, Mar 16, 2008 at 12:37
Hi Sal,
Towing a very large and heavy block (or at least something with the aerodynamics of a block) with a large brick (or something with the aerodynamics of a brick) into a howling head wind is guaranteed to slow you down and really stuff up fuel consumption.

Just to make your day, towing the van from Geraldton to Dongara into the ubiquitous geraldton sea "breeze" will also gulp fuel at a great rate.
FWIW I once towed a tandem axle furniture van through there with a 2.6i petrol Courier 4x4, 40kph in 3rd gear all the way with a fuel consumption of around 1.6 km/litre. Bloody Hell !!!

If you are happy with the outfit otherwise, I wouldn't be too concerned about this isolated instance but be aware that head winds can really play havoc with fuel use.

Cheers

Disco.
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Follow Up By: mustang.sal - Monday, Mar 17, 2008 at 00:24

Monday, Mar 17, 2008 at 00:24
THANKS DISCO, WA IS PRETTY WINDY, STILL GOT THE WHOLE COAST TO GO. SAL
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Follow Up By: kym111 - Monday, Mar 17, 2008 at 23:17

Monday, Mar 17, 2008 at 23:17
Hi Sal
if you're heading up Broome way on Highway 1, watch out for the head/side wind that catches you some kms north of the Nanutarra Roadhouse(btwn Exmouth & Karratha). I borrowed a 4.2 Patrol Ute a few years back, towing a car trailer loaded with my household (moving to Karratha), and the rig was travelling well at 110kmh, when all of a sudden it virtually died. Pedal to the metal and no response. Then it got going again!
Turns out there was a severe wind all of a sudden that pulled the rig up. It's a spot where the hills on the right V into a big valley. Nice flat road, slightly downhill to level.
It doesn't last long, but it makes you worry about your vehicle if you don't know about the wind.
Always got me in the same spot. I learned to watch for it after a couple of trips back to Geraldton...
Regards
Kym
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Follow Up By: mustang.sal - Tuesday, Mar 18, 2008 at 23:48

Tuesday, Mar 18, 2008 at 23:48
Thanks Kym for the tip, will note that. After 400 more klms in the last couple of days, the Nissan was fine so Im 100% sure now that it was the wind that pulled her up, especially after what you have just told me,
cheers, Sal
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Reply By: koel38 - Sunday, Mar 16, 2008 at 13:12

Sunday, Mar 16, 2008 at 13:12
G`Day Mustang,

I have a 02 auto 3lt. Patrol towing a 23ft Jayco Heritage with a DP chip. We were going from Urunga to Armidale via Dorrigo after passiing Dorrigo we lost power and the engine management light came on I stopped and drained the fuel filter and continued on, every thing O.K.. Possible water in fuel. I would check your filter.

Regards Bob
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Follow Up By: mustang.sal - Monday, Mar 17, 2008 at 00:27

Monday, Mar 17, 2008 at 00:27
THANKS BOB, WILL MAKE NOTE, WHATS A DP CHIP?
CHEERS MUSTANG
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Follow Up By: Steve - Monday, Mar 17, 2008 at 20:14

Monday, Mar 17, 2008 at 20:14
ha - "engine management light"


you will go for these modern new-fangled gadgets


lol
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Reply By: wafarmer - Monday, Mar 17, 2008 at 03:48

Monday, Mar 17, 2008 at 03:48
Hi Mustang . Sal

How long in Kalbarri ?

Would like to have a look at your Nissan if possible.

cheer's

Ashley

Ps if looking around town look for a boat with an unfortunate name parked outfront on the corner and an aqua green rodeo in front of a boat with a quad bike in it in the drive way and a house going up next door thats me.
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Follow Up By: mustang.sal - Tuesday, Mar 18, 2008 at 23:52

Tuesday, Mar 18, 2008 at 23:52
Hi Ashley, sorry mate, left yeasterday, now up the coast, you should of yelled out earlier. We have to be in Port Headland for a job start on the 30th
cheers
Sal
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Reply By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Monday, Mar 17, 2008 at 04:12

Monday, Mar 17, 2008 at 04:12
We tow a Camper trailer, almost every where we go, and yes the economy is knocked about.,,,, all up weight, just under 4 tonne


Thats what gears are for, slower but easier on the driver and components
400-500 km/tank ( 75 lts ) depending on conditions.
Head wind, or up hill, forget it !

Last desert trip, 1000 lts to do 6,500 kms, some days down to 5 km/lt, but we were doing hard slow work, in very sandy conditions.

I do not know what you expect from these little motors, but in a 6 cylinder diesel I would expect a little more power, and a bit more fuel to do the same job.
Cheers
Bucky




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Reply By: Robin Miller - Monday, Mar 17, 2008 at 13:10

Monday, Mar 17, 2008 at 13:10
Hi Mustang

The consumption of the 4800 petrols doesn't increase at the same rate as the 3lt CRD's when the going gets tough, partly because of the significantly more modern 5 speed auto , and I have put the difference at about 17% on a typical trip.

On avg though the difference is around 33% and its a decision each of us has to make. For me the trades offs have never been worth it, particularly every time I have to overtake.


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Follow Up By: mustang.sal - Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 00:00

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 at 00:00
Thanks Robin, I agree, you need the confidence of power to overtake for saftey. Havent tried it yet in the Nissan
Cheers Sal
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Reply By: Member - Kate A (QLD) - Tuesday, Mar 18, 2008 at 21:34

Tuesday, Mar 18, 2008 at 21:34
I have resently purchased a 2007 Diesel Patrol st, towing offroad van. pulls well but eats up the fuel.
Had a Terracan prior to this which used much less fuel. Only reason we changed was that was sitting on kg levels and was looking for a more robust vecheicle for traveling into NT & WA.

If anyone can give solution would be grateful
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Follow Up By: mustang.sal - Tuesday, Mar 18, 2008 at 23:57

Tuesday, Mar 18, 2008 at 23:57
Hi Kate, I think they all chew fuel when they are towing. With my auto Nissan Ive learned that if I play with the settings and overdrive whilst towing up those hills and into the wind I can get better power,(over 80klms under 3000 revs) not sure about fuel yet
cheers Sal
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