Larger tires in Qld = Hoon laws

The whole scenario IF true (or isnt missing anything as you say), is pretty hard handed dont you think?
"... mate your tires are illegal, go home, if I see them again, your gone"... Sounds fairer? Considering he was parked and not even driving it at the time? Maybe this dude has a history with the cops.. but sounded very harsh to me. Remind me not to go there and sneeze incase a gob of snot comes out and I get done for spittin in the street.

Considering they were supposed to be dangerous tires, warranting a defect, courtdate, and full inspection at the roads joint - they let him drive home.. Doesnt make sense.

But its not just those tires, 90% of 4wds have oversized tires, with most of those people not even knowing that fact.

So any sort of thing that can be defected, can be considered by HOON laws, and you can get taken to court?

More to the point, I would like to know if thats only Qld or would happen in any state in aussie??... Anyone know?

>> "How do we know if the tyres were bald or not designed for street use."
they let him drive home. cant be all bad?

but those same tires are engineerable in other states, with standard brakes (if they are the same tires from another thread)


A good point from same thread
"Under QLD laws you can take a 4wd that is perfectly legal in other states and roadworthy in all respects and turn it into a illegally modified death machince simply by changing the rego to qld."

Truckie,

Be nice. Qld have to get something right :)))

Don't be too hard on Queenslanders. Soon they will be able to spell BEER instead of calling it XXXX but I am surprised that a Victorian can't spell TYRES

"Also if you have a modified vehicle and has been engineered and rego in NSW, you can't have it engineered in QLD unless you are transferring the Rego to QLD, so your done what ever way you go."

Please explain...

I just had Darkie accepted by QLD for a conversion done in Vic and Engineered for NSW. As long as you can provide QLD Dept of Transport evidence that it meets the ADR's then they will accept the modifications.
It shows on my rego papers that it is a dual cab table top and I have to have a copy of the letter from Dept of Transport in the vehicle.

As you stated in one of your posts, you had Darkie passed with standard rims and tyres, now that you have changed them you are at the mercy of the law in any state.

If they the police don't agree with the engineer then they can keep sending you back to QLD transport at your expence as many times as they like.

Nothing you can do about it, if they say you had a bald tyre on it then it is bald no matter what.

They were not the standard rims actually, standard rims for Darkie is the splits and he was engineered with GXL steel rims.
As for the police not agreeing with the engineers report has nothing to do with it as it has been approved by the QLD Dept of Transport which specifies the modifications in their apprval letter which as I said has to be in the vehicle so the police can reference it when checking.


From the Transport Operations (Road Use Management - Vehicle Standards and Safety) Regulation 1999

(b) the maximum tyre width is—

(ii) for an off-road passenger vehicle fitted with front
and rear beam axles—not more than 1.5 times the width of the vehicle manufacturer’s widest optional tyre

Which is why I have QLD Dept of Transport approval to run the tyre and rim combination that I have on Darkie as per the Approval letter from the above dept. I requested approval for the new rim tyre combo at the same time

They also state if you missed me saying it already

" A copy of this letter must be carried in the vehicle at all times so the Police and/or QT inspectors have proof of approval."

So there for I have approval for the modifications on Darkie and I don't give a bleep what you have to say about it.

Get into it kev....!!!! Im on your side!!!!

he's right...as long as you have the letters to prove it...no one can go against them, especially when it has all been done properly like in Kevs case...Police cannt do what ever they like...if its legal on the paper work they have to put up with it whether they like it or not. Transport association go over their heads, the police just try to pull people over and get them done over...but they have no leg to stand on once paper work is proven to be correst!

hey kiwi
just like heather mills lolololol

steve

i wish i had her bank account...so what if she is $140m short of what she wanted!

You are missing the point, if they the police still want to argue against the engineer, all they have to do is sticker your vehicle unroadworthy and make you take it to QLD transport for a further inspection where QLD transport will go right over your vehicle and look for problems or any other mods that are not on the mod plate or paper work that you must carry at all times and in NSW have a copy in your car and on your person.

The Police can do this to any vehicle that they suspect of being modified.

If you want to fight this it will be at your own cost and any costs incurred against you.

i wish i had her bank account...so what if she is $140m short of what she wanted!

You would only pssssssssssit down the toilet anyway.

it cost the bloke $90 to just book in to get his car checked.
Then the day off work
then the grand extra on things they will find... like deadly partly worn rubber on clutch pedal, or the rubber on steering wheel turns a little... etc..

My point that nobody seems to see, is that this is attached to HOON LAWS - THREE STRIKES THEY TAKE YOUR CAR OFF YOU FOR GOOD

That is why you only drive an vehicle with approved modifications then all costs should go to the Dept of Transport.

The police will only act on an issue that is not addressed in the approval letter from the Dept of Transport. Case closed, if you drive an unapproved modified vehicle then you deserve to be raked over the coals. But Darkie is and always will be 100% legal.

96 GXL 80 SERIES.....Ill tell ya something that you might want to take alittle notice of......You lose all respect once you get personal. You have no idea about me, you have no idea! Dont you dare say that I would psssssssss it down the toilet......if you had any idea about me you would know that I would give 99% of it away......but thats not the case here.....

Get personal on here and you lose all respect (which has already happened), hence the reason why Im not calling you things that most people wish to say and have said behind your back....... You are not worth the time and effort anymore. go and get fkt. Everyone has the right to say what they want, minus the personal stuff, dont get shirty just cos Kev has gone through it LEGALLY and differs to what you have mentioned.

Goodbye!

Exactly and this is what people are missing, things wear even if they are modified.

This is what makes it right for the police to go over your vehicle and check it for wear and tear and any mods.

QLD transport are there as a backup for the police incase the mods are illegal.

I have had several modified vehicles both in QLD and NSW so know what goes on and if the police want yours off the road, then your at the mercy of them.

You only have to listen to them on the police radio when your rego number is put through the system as to your fate.

Kev your mods are only superficial compared to the ones I had in my cars.

Also a lot of mates that still live in QLD that have just given up and sold cars just to get the police off there backs.

so now its a''my balls are bigger than yours' game!! haha!!

Truckster,
My point that nobody seems to see, is that this is attached to HOON LAWS - THREE STRIKES THEY TAKE YOUR CAR OFF YOU FOR GOOD

If in the 1st visit to QLD transport and they find more faults, they give you a certain time and if not done, "Red Sticker" off the road forever.

Kev & Darkie posted:
They were not the standard rims actually, standard rims for Darkie is the splits and he was engineered with GXL steel rims.
As for the police not agreeing with the engineers report has nothing to do with it as it has been approved by the QLD Dept of Transport which specifies the modifications in their apprval letter which as I said has to be in the vehicle so the police can reference it when checking.

Kev, so what you are saying is that you don't have a Mod plate fitted by a Authorised engineer as per QLD Transport under modifications to a motor vehicle or light truck? All you have is some paper like in NSW.

Also you don't have a mod plate for the GXL type rims, is that what you are saying?

I checked with my engineer on these things today, and he does not agree with what you are saying.

Then you need a new engineer.
QLD Dept of Transport have approved the mods without need for a mod plate

End of story

Kev,
he is an Authorised Engineer for QLD Transport and is located in QLD, I just phoned him your comments, so he is going to take it up with QLD transport on Tuesday.

And I care because???

Didn,t say you did.

He does though as it is his buisness, I have sent him this link as a reference as well.

He obviously makes extra money by charging the extra for mod plates when not needed then

The Approved Person will give
you a Certificate of Modification and fit a modification
plate to the vehicle if the changes meet the required
standards.

Only if the modifications are done to a vehicle that is registered in QLD. Darkie was converted in Vic and first Registered in NSW as modified. Therefore when transfering to QLD a modification plate is not required.
Which is what I said last night but you don't appear to be able to comprehend that other states don't require a mod plate.

Vic and QLD require a Mod plate and as I did point out to you that you have to have a letter from the Engineer in your car at all times and one on your person when driving the vehicle.

Unless laws have changedin the last couple of months, once you change states your car has to have it's registration cancelled before it can be re registered in QLD, there for a RWC and Engineers Certificate if needed, has to be supplied along with proof of ownership.

You are still only reading what you want to read, I said converted in Vic and first Registered in NSW as modified. Which means that it was Engineered in NSW therefore not required to have a Mod Plate.

Once again from the letter from the Dept of Transport QLD:

I quote

As you have provided acceptable evidence that the modification has been approved and the vehicle registered in NSW, approval is granted for the conversion on a reciprocal basis.

End Quote

It don't get much plainer than that, no mention that a mod plate is neede for the conversion when transferred.

I hope your Engineer gets some useful info out of this post.

I missed a bit for you.

" Conditions of approval -

This approval is issued for the purpose of gaining QLD Registration,

The modifications meet all standards acceptable in the state, i.e. any modification standard or Code of Practice."

read page 5 96 gxl


compliance plate not nessecarily needed.....while yur at it read page 7 about it being registered in another state first.....

why are you trying to prove Kev wrong? He has done everything legally and through the right places in the right order. There has been nothing done illegally and while your at it...get you "mate" from dept of qld to get on here and clarrify it if need be, seeing that "he / she" is the person who "knows all"

you have been proven wrong in this case - move on! but i must say...your comments have added quite a lot of comedy for the night!!

>> Vic and QLD require a Mod plate
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzztttttttt........No, Vic has no mod plate.

When I modded my GQ, they did not attach a physical mod plate as they do in Qld, they gave me paper work which went to Vicroads with who copied it and told me to keep it with the car.

I know for a fact if one QLD Inspection station passes a vehicle that was stickered, you can get a letter in the mail telling you to have it reinspected at another Inspection Station.

We were at Surfers Paradise one night when QLD Transport had the shaker out and put a Torana over it that was registered that day, he got put off the road right away and tow truck home.

For Bundy, we are just talking and hope it helps others thinking of doing the same.

Hic Hic have another drink.

Going to watch AFL.

And a RWC is valid for how long in QLD?? as you have already allude to people can change stuff from when inspected and then registered.

Whats Bundy got to do with it??

>You can get fined for having fishing rod holders on your
>bullbar too - if they do not have rods in them.

Interesting and assuming what you say is correct; a fishing rod holder is safe if it has a fishing rod in it but it becomes unsafe when the rod is removed? Perhaps it's this kind of logic which encourages people to treat many laws with contempt?

Mike Harding

Mike,

I think you will find that it is legal when being used for it's intended purpose. An empty fishing rod holder can be seen as not being used for it's intended purpose. If that makes sense.

Cheers Kev

Mike.
He would love to get the mods passed in Qld, you cant.. Infact his 33's (285)s are illegal in Qld which are his normal daily driver tires....

It seems what is totally legal in other states with engineers is illegal in Qld, thats part of the argument.

Fishing rod holders are illegal.. any sharp protruding object on the bar is... Thank Scruby for that.

Waitin for some of them photos of the conversion Kev for Darkside site... :)

I need somewhere to send them Truckie ;)

See my rig profile for an email addy and I'll get some to you. I can't not have Darkie promote Australias number 1 dual cab conversion place now can I LOL

Cheers Kev

fu_kew
AT
hotmail
DOT
com

Once he takes his vehicle for the inspection, QLD transport will go right over it.

They will give him a set time to get it fixed and if it is not the rego will be automatically cancelled and a big X marked against the vehicle's ID.

35's or 33's are not exactly BIG tires.

The NCOP national rules have not come into force yet..

Infact, at the rate they are going they will be so ancient by the time they come out, that they will have to start again.

There have been rumours they are coming into force for 2 yrs now..

>Had them check everything like the colour of the indicator
>lenses and the rubbers on the pedals.

It occurs to me that the Queensland police may be a little better employed and of more benefit to the community (which is the only reason we have a police force) trying to prevent more serious crime?

Mike Harding

PS - that time on side of the road was in a younger life.

Memories - mates hot charger (L38) and LJ toranas with 327 chev engines, and my mini that had 50mm clearance. Mate in an MGB used to outrun the police most times before they got ford GTs.
And a drug search that took 2 hours, and we had to put everything back. It was considered all part of the game, and the police were doing their job. Most of the time they treated you pretty well.

Mike,

Remember that in Qld we don't have the annual checks for registration, where most of these mods would be looked at, and knocked back if not OK.

So the police are the only ones that can stop you ("I didn't see you indicate sir, at the last turn, while you are stopped, lets take a look at the car"), and if they suspect you have done a few mods, they look for something to get you on, and then send you in for a full machinery check. It's the way the system works in Qld if you modify cars. If it is a serious mod, they may stop you there on the side of the road. I have walked/hitched home before now.

The new anti-hooning laws give the police a little more chance to control the situation. Some of my son's friend's street legal (just) cars are seriously fast. Makes the GTHO phase III of old look weak.

is it Qld or NSW people can just call the Roads people adn "dob in" someone they think is illegal and then that person has to bring their car in for a check...?

Pete,

I think you will find that it is 235.85.R16
So with 285.75 R16 you will be legal in QLD as that is what I have just had approved by QLD Dept of Transport

The 285 is less than 1.5 times the largest width specified for live front or less than 1.3 times the width for IFS

The 85 to 75 is within the 15mm tolerance.

Cheers Kev

so the car is unroadworthy, illegal and dangerous as you say...

- why did they let him drive it home? Blows the cops MAJOR defect out of the water instantly.

Why do we need all these laws in the first place?????

Willem,

Get serious !!! What would this lot have to whinge about otherwise :))))

Oh ...Gawd....Now Greenbottle's arrived.

Ding...Ding....Ding..

.

"properly engineered vehicles do have a place"

Yeah, off the road :)))

Sorry Craig, could'nt resist.

Unfortunately most modified vehicles aren't properly done so you're right Al they should be off the road.
Knowing someone who does fit vehicles out in the moster truck style I have seen when money is spent in the right place these jacked up vehicles can handle & stop better than original. Even though I'm not into it myself there should be some legal avenue for people who like to climb rock walls in their trucks.
Cheers Craig.............

I just see too many questionable ones out here ( NW Sydney ). They may very well be legal etc but I doubt that the non-4wd fraternity have any love for them.