Blonde female needs help....

Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 23:02
ThreadID: 56455 Views:2923 Replies:14 FollowUps:22
This Thread has been Archived
I think I have some attention, do I? :)

In the morning on first start up, the Mighty Mazda's belts screech like a fishwife with a headache.
It lasts about 30seconds and then everything is ok.
Questions:
1. Would it likely be loose or tight belts making the noise? (I've prodded them and all seem tensioned ok and all look to be in good nick; no frays/tears/splits)
2. Any idea which one it would be? (there are a few!)
3. I've tried spraying a bit of WD40 on the pulleys to see if it makes a difference, but as I couldn't get the tin in there, I didn't succeed. Maybe it was a good thing I didn't?

I'd like to sort it out myself rather than spend good G&T money at a garage....
Thanks in advance!
Back Expand Un-Read 0 Moderator

Reply By: Member - David P (VIC) - Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 23:07

Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 23:07
no air con? .. not steering?...silverback
AnswerID: 297486

Reply By: autosparky - Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 23:12

Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 23:12
belts are staring towear screeching is probably the additional load from the alt on initial start up wd 40 is not going to help but will make you feel better that you are doing something . give the belt a bit of a tightn as after a while all pulleys get a wear mark in them and need adjusting
AnswerID: 297488

Reply By: Member - John - Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 23:41

Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 23:41
Sologirl, bring it around to my place and I will show you how to fix it.........................:-)
John

Lifetime Member
My Profile  My Position  Send Message

AnswerID: 297493

Follow Up By: SoloGirl - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 08:38

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 08:38
All the way to Victoria?? I'm not THAT hopeless with my truck! :))
0
FollowupID: 563510

Follow Up By: Dasher Des - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 14:53

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 14:53
Jihn, just so that you dont get too excited, Solar Girl is not Blonde. It called Grey White LOL
I have now officially dissapeared until the bullets and schrapnel stop flying.
The Dasher
0
FollowupID: 563588

Follow Up By: SoloGirl - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 15:16

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 15:16
aaarggghhh!
Des! You make me sound old with that description! Apologies in advance to the many esteemed GREY nomads on the site!
0
FollowupID: 563603

Follow Up By: Dasher Des - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 15:36

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 15:36
Appology accepted. LOL
0
FollowupID: 563622

Follow Up By: Mr Fawlty - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 17:06

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 17:06
AND WHAT EXACTLY IS WRONG WITH MATURE CASUAL SKIRT???
0
FollowupID: 563650

Follow Up By: Des Lexic - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 19:43

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 19:43
Mr Fawlty Have you looked at one lately. It might be OK if they ironed the wrinkles out. Still ducking for cover Des
0
FollowupID: 563694

Reply By: Member - Jack - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 06:39

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 06:39
Tighten the belts ... and rub some soap over them to prevent squealing.

Jack
The hurrieder I go, the behinder I get. (Lewis Carroll-Alice In Wonderland)

Member
My Profile  My Position  Send Message

AnswerID: 297504

Reply By: Member - Alastair D (NSW) - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 06:50

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 06:50
Without knowing more like how old the belts are etc it is a bit hard. Usually what you have described comes from the alternator belt which is slipping due to the initial load recharging the battery after starting. This is usually mostly done very quickly and the noise stops.

Tightening is typically all that is needed but sometimes if this has happened for a while or the belts are getting old they harden and get a glaze on them which has poor grip. I would tighten the alternator belt but do not over do it as this can cause other problems. If there is any sign of a glaze or hardening then replace.

cheers
AnswerID: 297505

Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Kath - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 08:16

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 08:16
If it is belts, that are worn or even dry this stuff is very good on them to help get a grip

The amount used means a tin is an investment. I think we have our second tin here that I have bought.
Cheers,
Who?
John

Member
My Profile  My Position  Send Message

AnswerID: 297521

Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Kath - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 08:36

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 08:36
Belt Grip link
Cheers,
Who?
John

Member
My Profile  My Position  Send Message

0
FollowupID: 563509

Follow Up By: Cruiserman1961 (QLD) - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 13:57

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 13:57
Love your signature mate, how true can that be????
here is another link for you :)

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/omnibus.html

Cheers, Udo
I think my get up and go, got up and went.

Member
My Profile  My Position  Send Message

0
FollowupID: 563550

Follow Up By: Dasher Des - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 14:56

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 14:56
John, so whats the Dog's name.
Knowing you it's probably Nero or Julius
0
FollowupID: 563589

Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Kath - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 15:24

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 15:24
Udo, I found last year in Italy, I couldn't practice any Latin. Probably just as well as it would have been more like an ill-prepared bolognaise. No apparent strings of the spaghetti anywhere.

I guess at least I got to going in a brothel for the first time in my life. Pictures on the wall were a bit worn out but we all hand painted. In Pompei.

Dasher, are they good Roman or Latin dog's names? They sound more emperious.
Cheers,
Who?
John

Member
My Profile  My Position  Send Message

0
FollowupID: 563613

Follow Up By: Dasher Des - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 15:35

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 15:35
John, The dog's names are definitely Latin. If they were Roamin names you wouldnt be able to find them.
Just imagine trying to call Sparticus when he's trying to hump someones leg. Sorry it doesn't work for me. LOL
0
FollowupID: 563621

Reply By: SoloGirl - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 08:36

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 08:36
Thanks everyone!
I'll tighten the alternator just a tweak to see if it helps.
AnswerID: 297524

Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Kath - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 15:27

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 15:27
Just a little spray of the Belt Grip is good on belts as it won't put the strain on bearings so much. Weight lifters also use it to make hands tacky for the bars. Then the chalk, but no need for the chalk on the belts ;0))
Cheers,
Who?
John

Member
My Profile  My Position  Send Message

0
FollowupID: 563615

Reply By: Robnicko - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 08:53

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 08:53
Do not spray WD40 on the belts..it will cause them to possibly slip and even worse break down and disintegrate.
The screeching is usually caused by belt rubber aging, loose belts or dry belts. I smear a bit of vaseline on the belts on my car to stop the annoying squeals that they make. Apart from replacing the belts it usually keeps them quiet until the next engine wash.


Rob
AnswerID: 297529

Follow Up By: Peter H - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 09:44

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 09:44
Unfortunately you are doing what you are telling others not to do. Vaseline is PETROLEUM JELLY, same as WD40 in a gel formulation!
0
FollowupID: 563522

Reply By: KSV. - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 09:24

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 09:24
It could be not belt, but something else – dry water pump for example. Do you park your car in garage or outside? Is it happens ONLY in the morning? You can very easy test if it slippage of alternator belt due to extra charge – after coming back to home, shut motor and switch on all headlight. Wait 5-10 min and start car – if noise appears this is it, if not I recon it is something else. This sort of thing could be very annoying and difficult to track. I continuously use to have interim problem with belt noise in my LC. I have tried everything and could not fix either locate it. I have started remove belt one by one and figured out that aircon one responsible. I have tried soap, water and Belt Grip stuff without any speakable success. I personally recon that all this stuff is no more then cr@p and never fix anything, but just temporarily make it emit less noise – total boon for dodgy car dealers, but nothing more then that. Finally I have purchase new belt albeit old one was 6-9 month old. The same brand and the same part number. Problem COMPLITELLY disappears and I was not able to locate any tear and wear on removed belt. Total mystery.

Cheers
Serg

AnswerID: 297535

Follow Up By: SoloGirl - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 15:18

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 15:18
Thanks for that Serg
0
FollowupID: 563609

Reply By: Peter H - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 09:49

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 09:49
I believe the most common cause of belt squeal on startup is the fan belt. Why you ask? Most vehicles have a thermofan and when the engine starts in the morning the fan is fully engaged, it takes 30 seconds to 2 minutes to disengage when cold, this is a hug load and makes a worn/loose/damaged belt squeal and slip easily. It could be the alternator, but most likely the fan. Please don't over tighten your belts and put unnecessary load on the alternator bearing and cause it to fail. If your belt is squealing and tightening it to the correct tension does not fix it then buy a new belt for it.
AnswerID: 297538

Follow Up By: SoloGirl - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 15:19

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 15:19
Thanks Peter. I'll check one at a time to determine which one squeals and I'll be sure not to overtighten them.
0
FollowupID: 563611

Reply By: Member - Matt (Perth-WA) - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 10:27

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 10:27
Solo it does sound like the belt but I dont agree with all the suggestions apart from twist it over by hand and see if the belt it starting to crack on the underside...ie check the condition.

If its still relatively new then do tighten it a touch , the longer you leave it the more it will glaze the pulleys and you will quickly wear into them.

Dont try the soap, beltgrip, wd40 etc...yes they all quieten a squeely belt but you still havent fixed the problem. The soap etc are good for isolating noisy belts for diagnosis but not for long term. Also make sure you only tighten it the recommended amount of deflection otherwise you load all the bearings and you will have early PSteer pump or Alt bearing failure.

Trust me been there done it all and learnt from it.

All the best

Matt.
AnswerID: 297543

Follow Up By: Member No 1- Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 11:17

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 11:17
ditto..check alignment also...but this is usualy not a problem on a car
0
FollowupID: 563532

Follow Up By: SoloGirl - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 15:17

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 15:17
Thanks, Matt
0
FollowupID: 563607

Reply By: snow - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 11:05

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 11:05
Sound advice there Matt
AnswerID: 297544

Reply By: Member - barry F (NSW) - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 17:22

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 17:22
Howdy there Solo girl, would you mind very much that if next time I need a huge response to my question, that I head it up with " blonde needs help"? Thanks in Advance!! & cheers
AnswerID: 297612

Follow Up By: SoloGirl - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 17:30

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 17:30
Never let it be said blondes are stupid! ;)
0
FollowupID: 563655

Follow Up By: KSV. - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 18:00

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 18:00
Barry, you forget key word - female :-))))) No you will not have huge response on just "Blonde needs help"
0
FollowupID: 563661

Follow Up By: Member - barry F (NSW) - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 18:36

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 18:36
No, No not at all that was intentional. You watch out, I'll stick a post in in a week or so headed up "blonde needs help" & you watch the number of responses!! cheers.
0
FollowupID: 563673

Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 19:01

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 19:01
When the NRMA want to quickly tell whether it's a bearing or just a noisy/slipping belt causing the squealing, they use this secret diagnostic liquid - a jug of water.

Pour it on the belts when they're squealing - if it stops straight away, it's just the belt slipping or their surface has gone hard.
.
AnswerID: 297636

Follow Up By: Mainey (wa) - Thursday, Apr 10, 2008 at 16:45

Thursday, Apr 10, 2008 at 16:45
Mike,
have to add, please don't get your arm torn off by the moving belt or cut the fan blades.

please - DO IT WITH MOTOR OFF -

After all, 'SoloGirl' is BLONDE, FEMALE and damm attractive to boot

Mainey . . .
0
FollowupID: 563845

Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, Apr 10, 2008 at 17:24

Thursday, Apr 10, 2008 at 17:24
The whole point of using something inert, non-toxic, cheap and readily available like water is that you can pour on lots of it, from a safe distince well above the top of the radiator, WHILE THE ENGINE IS RUNNING so you know straight away if it's making a difference to the squeal.
.
0
FollowupID: 563856

Sponsored Links

Popular Products (14)