coopers tyres - made in china????

Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:24
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so i gets in my truck & goes down to my local tyre dealer this morning to get a price on my new cooper tyres!

he says smifffy, "do you really want these coopers on ya truck?"

i say, "yes of course jimmy! the set i have on my patrol now which are 6 year old and done i've done 90,000klms on them without incident."

he says, "smifffy, they now make the coopers tyres in china. take a look at what has happened to these".

he takes me out the back of the workshop. shows me four coopers atr tyres that looked liked they had done 140,000klms. the side walls were bubbled and warped, there were chunks of rubber missing off the side walls and tread section from the size of 5 cent pieces to in some cases 50 cent pieces.

THEY LOOKED TERRIBLE!!!!

he told me that they had done 4000klms in 8 weeks and were returned where the purchaser demanded his money back!

jimmy tells me that this is not the first case he has seen since the start of the year!

i am concerned! i have used coopers tyres for the past 13 years without incident! i dont know what to buy now, he recommended mickey thompson or bfg's!

some help may be required here please?

does any one know if this is a nasty rumour or if they are in fact making coopers in china now?

i run 267/75/16's ATR's on my gu patrol s/w.

help maybe / advice maybe?

cheers
andrew.

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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:32

Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:32
I was under the impression Mickey Thompson tyres were made in the same factory as Coopers???

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Follow Up By: Member - Warfer (VIC) - Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:42

Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:42
Heah Take it easy Sandman,I dont want to hear that lol,Ordering the MTZ this week...

How good is your impression ??????? Although i am not surprised after touring through China in September..
Its becoming BE suprised if there made anywhere else!


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Follow Up By: Waynepd (NSW) - Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:39

Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:39
I think your impression is correct Sand Man. I believed Micky T's were made in the Cooper factory too.

I have just reached 100,000 k's on my cooper s/t's 285/75/16's and i admit they are now looking a little sad. This set has been on since 2004 and they are my second set of Coopers and i was all set to go again but now you have me wondering.


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Follow Up By: Member -Captain Chaos (QLD) - Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 18:54

Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 18:54
I got a new set of tyres two week ago and was set on coopers or M/Ts the tyre dealer said I would be better getting Maxxes MT as they are all made in the same factory .I guess he would know as he runs in the Tough Truck comp,time will tell
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Follow Up By: TD100 - Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 19:33

Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 19:33
Micky Ts,coopers(were)procomps,eldorados,and a few other brands that escape me at the minute are made in the same factory but different lines and compounds.cheers Paul
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Follow Up By: Krakka - Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 21:27

Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 21:27
Just have a look on the sidewall, that should tell you what country they were made in.
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Follow Up By: smifffy - Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 23:02

Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 23:02
Waynepd (NSW),

i went back down to the dealer pm 2day.

asked to look at all of his coopers that he had there.

no prbs, 1/2 were MADE IN CHINA on the side walls and the other 1/2 stated they were made in USA!

in confused and worried!

he told me he had the load delivered together & didnt event realise it himseelf until i pointed it out to him.

he is goiing to call coopers & ask 4 an explantaion & get back to me!

im waiting!
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Follow Up By: Waynepd (NSW) - Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 01:41

Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 01:41
I suggest you ask to be given the choice of which tyres you get. Hand pick them yourself. It seems like you have a good thing going with your dealer so he won't want to ruin that will he.
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Reply By: Notso - Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:35

Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:35
They make everything else there so it would be a distinct possibility.

Nations like Aus will end up as consumers only, we'll make nothing just send raw materials and jobs over to China and like places and then buy back manufactured goods (and poorer quality to boot)
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:43

Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:43
China is steadily buying up iron ore mining companies over here in the West so they will be sending THEIR raw materials out of OUR ground back to THEIR processing mills.

Sounds TOTALLY wrong to me.

I wish we could use italics on this Forum.

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Follow Up By: Waynepd (NSW) - Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:41

Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:41
Yeh and thnen we get to buy the finished products back from them. This is much like we did with the Japs and Hong Kong thru the 60's, there's nothing new in the world if you live long enough is there.
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Follow Up By: Krakka - Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 21:28

Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 21:28
Most of our iron ore goes to China now to be processed.
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Reply By: MrBitchi (QLD) - Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:51

Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:51
AFAIK the Cooper factory is in USA. Take a look on the sidewall. It's printed on there.
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Reply By: Member - Jezza (NSW) - Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:13

Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:13
The Coopers website lists 5 manufacturing plants in USA, 2 in China and 1 in UK (racing tyres only - Avon).

It doesn't detail what tyres come out of which factory....as mentioned above, check on the sidewall.

BTW - the spell checker says I should use "tires" - but I think I'll give it a miss!


Cheers,
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Reply By: Best Off Road - Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 17:17

Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 17:17
Why is Jimmy still selling them if he reckons they're so bad?

Jim.

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Reply By: hotfishez - Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 20:31

Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 20:31
mickey t's are from the cooper factory, different construction.

the coopers are picked from the seconds pile.............
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Reply By: Member - Matt H (SA) - Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 20:55

Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 20:55
Smifffy,
I recently bought 8 265/65/17's for the two Prado's in our family.
All have "Made in the USA"on the sidewall. At the price, they better not be chinese! But then again, what's truth in advertising?!
Cheers, Matt
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Follow Up By: smifffy - Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 23:05

Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 23:05
matt H,

im hearing you brother! see my above post from the follow up this afternoon back at the tyre shop!

cheers mate.
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt H (SA) - Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 19:58

Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 19:58
Cheers Smifffy,
Mate, I'm about to email my Tyrepower agent (whom I have dealt with for years) and let him know about this problem. If one tyre dealer isn't aware of the problem, there is a fair bet most others are not either!
If I was Cooper Tyres (or one their agents), I'd be rejecting ANY tyres that originate from anywhere but the USA.
Lets face it, 1 unsatisfied customer will tell a lot of people!

Cheers, Matt
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Reply By: Oldman - Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 21:12

Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 21:12
Isn't USA a suburb in China.

I think there was one in Japan years ago
So made in USA could mean anything.

Just like made in Australia stickers :)


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Reply By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:55

Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:55
G'day Andrew, isnt it annoying when something you have found to be a good product is lost or changed. I suppose we had better get used to the China thing . I heard that Waecos now come from
there as well, unconfirmed, but someone on here will know.
I gave up on michelin tyres for my Peugeots when they started coming from South America. European built are ok but hard to source. Read the label I guess...oldbaz.
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Reply By: jpfe8851 - Friday, May 09, 2008 at 15:40

Friday, May 09, 2008 at 15:40
Guys,

Working for Cooper's Aust distibutor, I need to dispell some wrong info in this thread.

Firstly, all Coopers LT and 4WD range are made in the USA.. period. The two Chinese plants are joint venture plants and make several well known passenger brands. Both are quality plants using latest technologies but Cooper have no plans to make Cooper brand 4x4 tyres in China.

Without inspection, the tyres described in Smiffy's post are difficult to say for sure what's gone wrong, but I think it is fair to say that this is abnormal and a result of something in their use, not manufacture. "Bubbled or warped" sidewalls are always a result of heat affect and it is likely these tyres were driven on while punctured and deflating, resulting in overheating which will cause any brand tyre to change shape and become misformed.

I am intriqued by the post suggesting half the tyres said "Made in China" as these simply do not exist. I cannot say what he was looking at or why he would say that.

Readers should always remember that tyres are all made from rubber, steel, nylon and polyester, just with different techniques and compounds. Any brand tyre can be destroyed early with misuse (including unintentional), abuse and sometimes, just damn tough conditions. Also remember, everyone makes different tyres for different conditions. Purchasers should discuss their driving intentions with their tyre dealer or seek other expert help when choosing what is right for their next set.

Regards,
John
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Follow Up By: Waynepd (NSW) - Saturday, May 10, 2008 at 18:21

Saturday, May 10, 2008 at 18:21
Thanks for the info John. I have had 2 good runs with S/T's 85,000 k's on the first set and 100,000 k's on this set.

I have first-hand knowledge of one person from this list who have had problems which were manufacturing problems.

The tyres were replaced under warranty.
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Follow Up By: jpfe8851 - Saturday, May 10, 2008 at 22:10

Saturday, May 10, 2008 at 22:10
Which is as it should be Waynepd... we will always adjust genuine defects under warranty and sometimes where bad advice has resulted in premature or abnormal wear.

I'm glad you have been pleased your tyres have served you well. Coopers and BFGs both make good tyres and both have reputations which mean customers have very high expectations, sometimes a little too high. All tyres have to be driven to the conditions... As our dealer in Derby said to me when I visited him in February, none of the locals have any tyre problems on the Gibb River Rd, because they all drive at 60kph and with 30psi in their tyres... if you drive above 80kph, you'll get chipping, punctures and blowouts. It is a simple as that.

I've driven 100,000km in the outback in the past 8 years and my last puncture was 7 years ago. That's when I learned to lower pressures and ease off the gas pedal when required. And always choose Light Truck for extended gravel and off-road driving.

Cheers,
John
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Reply By: Member - Peter L (NSW) - Sunday, May 11, 2008 at 16:28

Sunday, May 11, 2008 at 16:28
Smiffy, I have just replaced 2 Coopers ST tyres after they broke down with lumps coming out of the tread and serious cracking around the side walls. The other 2 ST tyres were all rotated together and I am maticulous with tyre pressures over all conditions/speed/weight. There was no doubt in my mind that the compound was breaking down. The tres had done 30K of which 4K was mostly dirt/gravel. The tyres were replaced under the terms of my 60K warranty. I just had to get rid of them as I felt unsafe driving the vehicle with tyres falling to bits. The dealer told me that the 2 replaced were of a different batch but I did not check where they were made. The other 2 plus my 2 spares were made in the US. I believe that Micky Thompson are also made in the same factory, but I cannot confirm that MT are of a harder compound. Dealers differ on this. Coopers are considered by some to be a more advanced tyre than BHG. I am sold that Coopers are not meant to stand up on the side wall like BFG so trick is do not over inflate the Cooper, if anything travel softer. The harder your tyre pressure the more you hammer the vehicle ( and the shocks) and this is especially true with trailers. Cannot help you anymore. But I would continue with the Coopers -made in USA. The made in China story is well known but we consumers never learn do we. Catch ya on the track. Peter
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