Audi's new diesel
Submitted: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 14:40
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Member - David P (VIC)
WOW! In today's Fairfax Drive section, new of the latest 2.0L TDI which puts out 165KW and 450NM and meets euro 5 emission standards. Where
well it end? Unfortunately probably at the bowser !
IMHO our future probably with compressed natural gas, which we have in abundance (its not a by-product of oil refining). What we need is the
infrastructure in place across the country to make it possible/practical. Who will fund it? The feds (socialism) or good old free enterprise?
From what i have heard/read our NG is supplied at approx 1/4 the world parity price. If demand takes off, expect prices to do the same. However if this does take place there would be a considerable reduction in diesel distillates with less domestic price pressure and greenhouse gas emissions. Kevin, there's an option. Now let's see....who would lose?.....hmmm......silverback
Reply By: Wizard1 - Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 14:51
Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 14:51
I notice we have buses here that run on NG.
It is possble to convert a diesel engine to run on NG?
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Follow Up By: Member - David P (VIC) - Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 14:57
Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 14:57
Hi Wiz, if the
infrastructure is there ie bowsers etc . I would like to know what the technology is that allows a diesel to run on it. Like you I don't know either.
Anybody out there know, then again its probably on the web unless its still under patent......cheers
silverback
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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 15:11
Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 15:11
Didn't one blow up in
Brisbane a few weeks ago?
Yep would be also interested to know how they do it.
Cheers Bruce
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Follow Up By: Ti Trol - Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 16:09
Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 16:09
Can a petrol engine run on NG? I am eagerly awaiting payday so that I can fill my GQ!
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Follow Up By: Member - David P (VIC) - Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 16:39
Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 16:39
Yes, but you need the pump
infrastructure and there are probably legal issues that haven't been addressed because of that and so it goes on....cheers,
silverback
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Reply By: Member -Signman - Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 16:46
Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 16:46
I think a diesel powered Audi won the LeMans 24 hour race last year
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Follow Up By: Member - David P (VIC) - Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 16:57
Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 16:57
Hi Signman,
was that outright or division?.....cheers,
silverback
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Follow Up By: Member -Signman - Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 17:08
Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 17:08
I sure it was outright !!!!!!!
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Follow Up By: Saharaman (aka Geepeem) - Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 20:02
Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 20:02
Yes it was an outright winner.
It was powered by the bi turbo V10 diesel I recall.
A derivative of this engine is available in some european models but not in Australia as yet.
But the diesel option in Q7 and A8 quattro models is the twin turbo V8 diesel.
(240 kw and 650 Nm torque).
Got talking to a guy at the
Brisbane International motor show earlier this year who had one - best vehicle he has ever driven he claimed.
I guess in that price range ($200k) cost of fuel is not an issue to buyers although he said the V8 diesel was very :"economical"
Cheers,
Glen
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 23:02
Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 23:02
And a diesel Peugeot second - see
Site Link
PeterD
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Follow Up By: Saharaman (aka Geepeem) - Thursday, May 22, 2008 at 08:16
Thursday, May 22, 2008 at 08:16
Thanks for the link Peter.
My info above was not quite correct.
It was an R10 Audi but is powered by a V12 twin turbo diesel of 5.5 litres (not a V10).
Also I notioced the Peugeot that came second was also powered by a V12 diesel twin turbo of 5.5 litres - I wonder if it is the same power plant as the Audi?
Cheers,
Glen
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Reply By: blue one - Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 17:16
Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 17:16
Dave,
Storage of the gas is an issue, for 1000 k range you would need a trailer.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - David P (VIC) - Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 17:35
Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 17:35
Hi blue,
I know, I had an LPG car, a converted Pug 604. That's what I mean about
infrastructure nation wide and who funds it. Sometimes you need to allow a monopoly position to exist with a 10 -20 life-span to make it attractive to say a merged entity like Woodside/Bhp/Rio who don't have refineries to economically write off but who have the financial grunt to make it happen not to mention the gas to supply.
I fear that this will not occur as long as we have political lobbyists with deep pockets representing the refiners in this country.
The PM has, I believe made some mention of banning or at least putting some space between them and parliamentary representatives and also moving on party funding.....maybe this is where we have to begin.
You could imagine the outcry.....cheers,
silverback
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Reply By: Member - Brad S (SA) - Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 21:27
Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 21:27
Guys ya don't need to run on CNG.
Australia should be producing it son diesel and exporting it! How you ask?
Well...Australia has huge
reserves of gas and the is a process called Gas to Liquid conversion which make sexcellent diesel...it fact it is a better quality diesel than we put in our vehicles now.
See here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7815172/http://www.csiro.au/science/ps115.html
Its all good. Australia! GET OFF YOUR FRECKLE AND DO IT!
Ahhh that feels beter.
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Follow Up By: Member - David P (VIC) - Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 21:54
Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 21:54
Thanks for that Brad,
so tell me what happened to those gas powered diesel buses,are they still running around? If not why?
It would seem we are back to my original proposition that it will only happen when the big 4 oil refiners are no longer allowed to buy their political policies thru lobbyists and political party funding. We need to start lobby of our own, probably in concert with the transport industry and motoring organisations.....but then again maybe they get money from the big 4. With global warming such a political issue it beats me why this is not even an issue in the media.....cheers,
silverback
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Reply By: Member - Brad S (SA) - Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 22:44
Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 22:44
Hi Silverback
I think those GNC buses are still tooling around...in
Adelaide anyway. I've no issue with that, in fact I think its good. It's just the thing about diesel prices gets up my nose a bit.
Oh...and about the political thingy here something I prepared earlier on another
forum...
"However, there is another issue which I believe is a scam by oil companies into frightening the government into allowing them to maintain high prices...OIL PRICE PARITY.
This effectively means that the oil companies can charge what ever the Singapore price for oil is regardless of the cost of obtain Australian oil. One of the rationale is that if the companies can not do this they would not bother to do any exploration...yeah right...they are currently doing jack all exploration anyway...comparative to the rest of the world. Hasn't stopped the Arabs having cheap domestic oil has it?
Another fearful furphy is that they might sell it all overseas...go for it I say, at least it would bring some money into the country rather than out as oil company profits.
I actually don't object to the excise duties & tax we pay for oil...we should get it back in roads,
services and
infrastructure.
I also have an idea that I'd rather pay and extra 10cents a litre for registration and third party insurance than the yearly slug. This way the highest risk and cost is covered by the highest users.
I'll stand back from the fire now"
Cheers
Brad
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Follow Up By: Member - David P (VIC) - Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 22:56
Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 22:56
G'day Brad,
at current prices I find it hard to believe that they are not interested in finding oil in Oz. How much more incentive do they want,beats me....cheers,
silverback
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