rounded diff filler plug
Submitted: Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 15:42
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Brian, Mackay Qld
hi all,
just want to change my diff oils in my cruiser ute.
the filler plug has just been rounded off.
tried freeze and release spray, bolt off, 1/2in sockets, breaker bars, rattle gun. bolt still wont budge.
how am i going to get this bolt out?
thanks, brian
Reply By: Member - Chris R (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 16:06
Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 16:06
Couple of other alternatives:
You might be using a 12 pointer socket - these only make contact with the edges of the 6 flats. If so try a six pointer socket to increase the contact on the flats.
Steves hammer blows are good. If these fail, if brave enough, try tightening it very slightly - chances are it has better shoulders on the tightening side of the flats. This may shift it and allow better chance of removal.
Best of luck
Chris
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Follow Up By: Brian, Mackay Qld - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 16:32
Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 16:32
tried using a 12 pointer socket first up which i think stuffed the bolt. then went to a 6 point socket on a rattle gun in forward and reverse, still didnt budge, now the 6point socket slips aswell.
it is and awkward angle to try and use a cold chisel and decent hammer.
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Reply By: Ozboc - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 18:39
Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 18:39
All excellent ideas above , how did you go - did you get it off ???
you wont need easy outs unless you drill the bolt - which i think is 8.8 tensile so you will have some probs OR is the sump bolt brass ???? if its brass a few good hits should shock it into freeing up as they self tighten over time
grinding the head off should hopefully remove any torque against the thread but make sure you have drilled it first so that you can get an easy out on the thread - considering that its in an oily environment it should not be locked/ seized- and if you try to drill after you may just turn the threaded remains into your sump ....
12 point socket is the go - if its to rounded for that -- and its a metric socket head then try use a smaller Imperial size and bash it on
if none of these have worked , then find the clown that done the last oil change and B*%ch slap them - or if it was you , give yourself an uppercut , Its a sump bolt not a head bolt off the QE2. and 150 pounds of torque is not needed
Boc
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 19:14
Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 19:14
In his original post it says its a diff filler plug and a 12 point socket will round it off faster than anything whereas a 6 point wont as it grips deeper on each flat
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 19:49
Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 19:49
yes but not a 24mm 6 sider make sure its an imperial 15/16ths
never use a 24mm you will have no show
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Follow Up By: Top End Explorer Tours - Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 20:21
Saturday, Jun 07, 2008 at 20:21
As dave said use a 15/16th socket, and grind the round lip flat.
Try harder to get in there and hit the bloody thing.
Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: Ozboc - Sunday, Jun 08, 2008 at 20:45
Sunday, Jun 08, 2008 at 20:45
Sorry , your right - i had miss read the post - got the flue something shocking so not really concentrating
Boc
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Reply By: Gazal Champion - Sunday, Jun 08, 2008 at 13:46
Sunday, Jun 08, 2008 at 13:46
Hi Brian,
This may be a little late but I nearly always weld a washer on to the bolt and then another washer and then another washer again. You can keep doing this and all it will do is get plenty of heat directly into the bolt, bolt will expand.
Let it cool and then try to undo it with vice grips, stillson or whatever you have in that line.
If it shears off just go through the process again, and again if needed.
I have used this method time and time again and always to great advantage.
Got the idea from a Lincoln Arc Welders book written in the 1930s and have found that advice invaluable.
Used it on my tractor when the stud was a 1/4 inch below the surface of a housing. Took 2 goes but it came out cleanly and left the thread surfaces
bright and clean. Pulled out a bolt this way from my dozer.
Thebolt had been locked in there for about 30 years I would say by the way someones boots had rounded off the head. Give it a go.
Regards,
Bruce.
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Sunday, Jun 08, 2008 at 17:16
Sunday, Jun 08, 2008 at 17:16
Brian,
I'd go with the welding idea. We've been doing this for many years, mainly because some of the staff don't know what "tight" is!
Use a mild steel 1/2" Whitworth nut, it will be slightly smaller than the filler plug, allowing a reasonable fillet on all 6 sides..
You can then re-use the plug, or keep for a spare. The use of Loctite 567 thread sealer will allow you to replace the filler plug, without needing to over-tighten it.
Notice some of the later model plugs have a deeper nut section on them, meaning you can get a 15/16" AF socket on much easier, with less rrisk of rounding
the nut.
Hooroo,
Bob.
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