Simpson with a trailer
Submitted: Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:18
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Holeshot
Hi out there - can I please get an idea if it's possible to cross from Mt Dare to
Birdsville with an off road camper trailer. I have done a lot of sand driving but have heard differing opinions.
I'm not after whether it's right or wrong as people have said trailers damage the track but I don't believe that (if you know how to drive - tyre pressure etc). I basically would just like to know if it can be done with little risk.
Your feedback is appreciated.
Thanks
Reply By: Member -Signman - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:36
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:36
Anything is possible...
Although C/Ts across the Simpson is not recommended..and I understand will be banned from next year...!!
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 16:40
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 16:40
Maybe they should have a
Ranger at either end of the Simpson run making sure travellers let their tyres down from 45psi.
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Reply By: Vivid Adventures - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:40
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:40
short answer, yes.
But the devil is in the detail, so ideally:
* with company
* without overloading
* with proper preparation of vehicle and trailer
* with sand-driving/towing experience
* all the normal things that need attention to go into
the desert.
Just like there is evidence of vehicles not making it, there is evidence of trailers not making it.
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:40
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:40
Jol Fleming is the 'full bottle' on both this subject and the region you indicate - he has advice on this very issue on his site...................
http://www.direct4wd.com.au/
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 18:11
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 18:11
Excellent site.....thanks
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Reply By: Gronk - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 13:58
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 13:58
It's possible.....but would I do it ??
With a KK weighing 1.2ton and 1000 dunes to cross.....nope !!
Not my idea of fun....punishing the 4x4 to drag a CT over them all..
But with a CT weighing in at 400kg's ( not many of them around ) then I would be interested !!
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 13:59
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 13:59
Try doing it from the
Birdsville end then when you don't manage the first (biggest)
sand dune you will know that it isn't a good idea.
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Reply By: Steve63 - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 14:09
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 14:09
Is it possible? Yes with care and support. Some very experienced and competent sand drivers could possibly do it alone but it would take a long time and require a lot of effort.
Is it recommended? No.
We went across east to west in early May. We met a group of six vehicles two of which had trailers coming the other way ie from Mt Dare. The lead car indicated they were snatching the cars with trailers over about one in three of the dunes. The four cars rotated the snatch duty and they often scouted the best way before the trailers started. That is hundreds of snatches for the 1900 dunes.
A few people told us it was the most difficult crossing in years. It was certainly a trying time as a solo vehicle. The tyre pressures reached new lows to get over some of the dunes. We used the route in the treks but in reverse. Even though we have done plenty of sand and desert driving it was a hard slog and a technically challanging drive. We were ok fuel wise (still had 50l) but apparently a lot of people were getting to Mt Dare running on fumes. A couple of them we knew and the had crossed 5 or 6 times before.
Your call I guess.
Steve
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Follow Up By: Vivid Adventures - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 14:43
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 14:43
I sense an undue reluctance amongst many towing in
the desert to reduce tyre pressures "enough"... and don't forget the trailer. I help those that are prepared to let their tyres down some more - amazingly they can still be running mid/high 30s, perhaps because of heat buildup. Usually they can drive out. Those who won't let them down more can't be helped.
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Follow Up By: Steve63 - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 16:33
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 16:33
Yes the heat build up can be an issue. We use splits and we had them down to 14 psi. Not that I would recommend this pressure in splits, just sometimes it is required. Basically we just keep letting the tyre pressues down until you get where you need to go.
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Reply By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 15:55
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 15:55
Hi Holeshot,
Yes can be done but as suggested with some precautions.
Low tyre pressure is the main key here and having a recovery plan. Always nice to do it with others.
Kind regards
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Reply By: Willem - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 16:38
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 16:38
Yep
I have taken the trailer east west/west east along French Line,
Rig Road, WAA Line, QAA Line, K1 Line, Colson Track and also 100km north off the French Line to the Geo Centre of
the Desert and back to the French Line by different
routes. Trailer has also been on CSR,
Gibson Desert,
Great Sandy Desert and
places inbetween.
Some of the trips were solo. I run 10psi on the trailer and 15psi on the 4by running crossplies 7.50x16 on split rims. Might get down to 13psi sometimes.
Have had to back down a couple of dunes every now and then.
If you are running tubeless tyres it is easier. 18psi for 4by and 15psi for trailer
Basically the trailer goes everywhere I point the Nissan. Occasionally things go pearshaped but then its just a matter of digging yourself out of the mire...lol
Cheers
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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 16:39
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 16:39
If you ar going to look ater your rig and CT. plusthe desert then leave the damned thing behind. We found it a PIA passing CT haulers in our last crossing.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 16:45
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 16:45
I think you need to increase your medication.....lol
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Follow Up By: Member -Dodger - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 16:57
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 16:57
Yep
Definately more Tooheys. LOL.
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Follow Up By: equinox - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 16:58
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 16:58
Well I found it a PIA passing normal vehicles on my one and only crossing of the Simpson. CT's or not, people should look in their god dam mirrors.
Willem - I like your new Rig Pic!!
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 17:11
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 17:11
If anyone wants to look after their rig &
the desert one could always leave the 4by in
Birdsville & walk across ;-)
I believe the issue of damage in
the desert to be more to do with overloading, tyre pressures, inexperience & driving in the wet than simply towing a trailer. Last time our group crossed towing we were held up more often by those without trailers. No real problem though, it's not as if we were in a hurry to be anywhere.
Cheers Craig.............
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Reply By: mechpete - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 17:23
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 17:23
myself and a group of others came over the french line in august last yr from mt dare six vehicles in all , coming up to big red we passed a group of 4 vehicles 2 towing C/Trailers .
we were sitting on top of big red and saw the 1st vehicle have a shot , he got half way up and stopped , we all said to ourselves this will be good ,a pagero towing a
kimberley camper , were in for some entertainment he let the tyres down on the C/T took at bit more of a run up an over he went, didn,t even spin the
wheels , it was turbo diesel , the funny part was one of our party had a 100 series with all the go fast stuff on it , took him 5 goes to make it . low tyre preesures are critical
mechpete.
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 18:18
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 18:18
Tyre pressure is critical...remember I was trying to get up calcup
hill one summer.....had my tyres down to 8 psi...sweating that day but made it.
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Reply By: Member - Bob S (NSW) - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 20:42
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 20:42
Last September we went from Mt Dare to
Birdsville with 7 vehicles, five towing Camper Trailers. We took the
Rig Road and made it without too much trouble. Of course parts of it were challenging, especially the last 20 dunes but with a team effort we made it. Low tyre pressures are important and maintaining sufficient speed to get over the dune.
We had all the standard recovery gear but only used shovels and Maxtraks. Sure we got bogged a few times but by using the Maxtraks we easily drove out of the sand and over the dune. They are a wonderful invention.
We also took the
Warburton Crossing Road across to the
Birdsville Track as an easier option.
You can always go back and do Big Red (without the CT) once you get to
Birdsville.
Go and enjoy it !
Cheers,
Bob
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Follow Up By: Member - John & Sharon R (QLD) - Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:06
Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:06
Its great for the driver, what about the person on the out side doing all the bloody work.
If you haven't been to big red lately I can upload a pic of the easy track taken April this year, massive blow out. We came across years ago and couldn't believe the change. I have big red on our profile taken this year. The french line should be called the Sand Gym, a great work out.
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