A different perspective on travelling costs

Submitted: Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:07
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I have read with interest some recent posts about the cost of travelling and I have found them very informative. Also there was a distinct lack of provocative replies which is very refreshing.

These posts were generally aimed at retirees so the replies also were focused on travelling long term.

Apart from buying a second hand vehicle and ct/caravan, it all boiled down to the weekly/monthly budget; how far you travel to reduce fuel costs, what activities you take part in, etc.

At the end of the day I would say that once you retire, even if you don’t travel you need to follow a budget of some form and as the price of living goes up we have to cut back on the nice bottle of wine or something. I may be being simplistic, but you can retire and be broke at home or retire and be broke travelling.

I’m not trying to trivialise the situation; there are plans that may need to be sacrificed. Perhaps between the guided tour of (a) and (b), or between a guided tour and the monthly visits to a restaurant or fuel for touring the local area. There is no doubt that things are harder.

And that leads me to the point of this post. For people that haven’t retired it is completely different.

There is the mortgage or rent to pay while you are away. My circumstance is that I am employed casually as well as self-employed and therefore get no ‘holiday pay’. Whether a week-end or a month; time off is a loss of wages. Yet I still have to pay rent (or mortgage), phone-line rental, internet connection etc while I travel. If we choose a NP then the dog ‘s accommodation as well.

For a family of four on one wage, camping has become an elitist activity.

Compare the 70’s when my father took us camping up the Nth Coast; no fees ,camp anywhere you like and no one gave a hoot.

Yet the things that my father gave me, maybe I can’t give to my kids. A love of the ocean, fishing, an understanding of tides etc without forking out loads of cash. Already in my lifetime it has changed that much. The cheapest camping on the coast is $10 per person and $5 for kids and a $7 vehicle fee. Fortunately our youngest is under 5 and incurs no fee. So that is $32 per night to go camping. So a weekend away is $62 plus ice, gas, fuel etc. Five nights camping is $160 in fees alone. Plus loss of wages, rent etc. I think the back beaches of Crescent Head are the closest coastal camping that aren’t NP which may be cheaper but since they are 400 km away the fuel cost outweighs any savings in camping fees.

So I have turned my attention to cheaper or free inland camps. The trouble with that is that every 100 km (200 km return) is costing nearly $40 in fuel so there is a limit to how much you save.

For the last 6 months we have been planning on doing an inland trip that included a visit to Dubbo Zoo for the kids. I’ve had to tell them that there is no way we are doing that.

Is the cost of fuel prohibitive to travel? Well it is one factor. It is the cost of living in general. What sort of world are my kids inheriting?

Phrases like 'Get out there while you can (or while it is still there)' or 'If you are worried about the price of fuel then you don't really want to see Australia' are absolutely meaningless.

regards

Brian







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Reply By: Wizard1 - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:03

Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:03
Brian,

its amazing how much the economic landscape has changed over the last couple of years and how much it has affected our lives.

We first bought a caravan and diesel 4WD several years ago when it was an economical way to holiday. Now its all doom and gloom with no end in sight. The price of diesel and the cost of parks is a liittle off putting.

Now its cheaper to jump on a Jetstar flight than it is to fill the car with fuel.

That new van is now off the budget for the time being.

I was considering early retirement. That won't happen now as the economic future gets grimmer.

It is hard when you still have those financial committments to meet. We dream of the day we can travel and not have to move for a few weeks rather than the constant mercy dashes we do at the moment to rush back to work.

I also feel for the next generation. Sky rocketing fuel and food prices, high cost of housing, it's not looking good.

But I also refuse to give in and not go camping nor will I be read the constant diatribes about the "cost of fuel". We just have to learn to live with it.

Cheers
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Reply By: Axel [ the real one ] - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:09

Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:09
Bware , the trip that SWMBO ,the youngun and I are currently on , day 4 of week 10 , just over 11,000 klm so far , 3 nites only in cabins at various locations and the rest at c/van parks, nat parks /free campsites ,, average cost PER DAY = $125 + Fuel at an average of $50 per day so an all up cost of $1225 per week ,, touring/camping cheap ?? no way ! ,,, will admit that in our costs entrance fees to museums / attractions ect and a fishing charter / helicopter flight / seaplane flight are included ....
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Reply By: Middle Jeff - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:12

Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:12
Hi Brian

I see you are both self employed and casual, this does make it hard and you will be one of the last to catch up when wages start to blow out and they will. You will start to see double digit percentage wage rises very soon. If you look back at the 80s the same thing happened.

If you can hang on for 12 to 18 months things should start to swing around.

Have fun

Craig
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Reply By: pop2jocem - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:40

Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:40
Hi Brian

Read your post with great interest. In my personal opinion I think most of what you say is right on the money. Being in the position of approaching retirement with what would be considered by todays standard a limited amount of financial resources budgeting/balancing the available funds becomes a task of considerable proportions. I think that comparing the lifestyle that we enjoyed as children with what is the current situation we have to keep in mind the, in my opinion, major difference that the world is faced with is the demand that is being placed on finite resourses by an ever increasing population. That resourse may be as diverse as the demand for recreational areas or fuel. As the demand increases so do the costs of providing and managing.
IMHO there are just too many of us and it isnt going to get any better in the short to medium term.

Cheers Pop
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Reply By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:52

Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:52
Hi All

I am very close to Retiring,I am self employed, fortunately we own every thing, just recently purchased a new Caravan, and will pick up
our new 4x4 at the end of June, that being said, I have made this
outlay to minimise break downs ect, and to have peace of mind while
touring, we plan to keep our Home, we dont want to rent it out,
just lock it up and go, still being in this postion dosent mean we have
a bottomless pit of money, being a future self funded retirery, you
still have to plan your expenditure, re: all of the ongoing Rates ect,
Insurances, Regos, Health Care, ect. and there is no guarantee of
how your Investsments will perform, we have a plan (a) & (b),
we will give it a go for a few months, if we like travelling, we will
reappraise our thinking about keeping the Home, or building a
smaller house for when we give up travelling. but we are going to
give it a go, you are dead to bl**dy long.

Cheers
Daza

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Follow Up By: Member - Roger B (VIC) - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 23:03

Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 23:03
G'day Again Daza. I still reckon you should be happy to share your mud crab population with us Mexicans !!!!!!!!!!!!!! We won't take too many. Cheers.

Roger B.

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Reply By: Bap - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 13:49

Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 13:49
Hi Bware,
not to have a go at you, but do you have the latest, biggest flat screen TV, stereo, xbox, playstation etc. Do you eat out often, go to the cinema often, do your kids have all the latest toys, have huge, extravagent birthday parties? Not saying you have all these things, but, as a family of 6, these are the things we don't have or cut back on so that we can still travel occasionally. Would love to do it more but with kids at school and my husband only gets 4 weeks holiday a year, it makes it harder. But if it's a choice between a $3000 TV or going away for a few weeks, i'd rather go away and take my kids out into our great country!
I'm not saying it's not hard!
Just my two bobs worth.
Michelle
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Reply By: Paul Grabonski. Vic - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 22:05

Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 22:05
sadly NSW national parks have put up the charges so high they are priced out the reach of families and pensioners.
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