cargo barriers
Submitted: Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 21:42
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Member - Craig M (QLD)
Hi
I have been convinced by SWMBO to fit a cargo barrier in the Disco (S2). I have sort of looked around but the prices seem to vary and the installation varies from '5 minutes minimum tools' to '2 days, 2 men and an engineering degree'.
Has anyone any experiences with the major players that rate a mention? What represents good value for money?
I am happy to do the install myself provided it doesn't eat too much into the drinking time.
Craig
Reply By: donk - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 22:10
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 22:10
Milford seem to be the largest supplier & i have fitted a few over the years to various types of toyota's
All the ones i have fitted require a large (around 22mm from memory) hole to be drilled in the vehicle inner cant (roof) rail & the floor with 2 smaller (9mm) holes on either side & the mounting plate is inserted behind the panel & the barrier mounts bolt to this
This is a strong mounting but depending on the vehicle can be time consuming & difficult to fit depending on how much interior trim needs to be removed & you need to be careful when drilling so you dont hit the outer panel with the drill bit
Other brands i have seen mount to existing captive nuts in the body & would be much easier to install but i dont think would be as strong a mounting system as the Milford
These are my thoughts but others may disagree
Regards Don
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Follow Up By: donk - Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 22:12
Wednesday, Jun 18, 2008 at 22:12
The site link in the above post is to Milford Industries
Regards Don
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Reply By: jdwynn (Adelaide) - Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 07:08
Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 07:08
When it comes to the crunch, you want to know the device will do the job. There is an Australian Standard. When I fitted my barrier in 2004, I reckon only a couple of products out there conformed to it. Standard is based on testing i.e. device works or fails. Don't short change yourself (and don't put your family at risk) - only get a product that conforms to the AS.
Seat belts etc are designed for 20g. Cars can generate 60g at just 60 kph when hitting a solid object. Just calculate the load coming at YOU / YOUR FAMILY when an item weighs up to 60 times its basic weight.
'value for money' - get real, it's about safety
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Follow Up By: Member - Craig M (QLD) - Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 07:20
Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 07:20
I can assure you that i am very 'real' when it comes to value for money.
I won't pay $1000 for something that doesn't comply with the aust standard just because some 4wd accessory mob has put their name to it and 'everyone' has one or should have one.
My concept of value for money is something that is safe, accredited, not over or under engineered and does not rely on marketing alone to make me want to part with my hard earned.
Hopefully, that is 'real' enough for you.
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Follow Up By: jdwynn (Adelaide) - Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 07:49
Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 07:49
That sounds good - on'ya Craig
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Follow Up By: DIO - Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 08:16
Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 08:16
For safetys sake just do it. Remember, a tissue box can weigh in the order of a house brick when propelled forward at 60 km/ph to a dead (fatal) stop. Wouldn't want one in the back of my head thank you. Hate to think what a toolbox, axe, fridge etc could do to people seated in vehicle.
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Reply By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 08:38
Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 08:38
I'll wait for the flak to come back on this one, but I reckon there is a fair bit of BS in relation to cargo barriers. I can't see the need to get one that is exactly tailored to your model vehicle. And it's the exact tailoring that really adds toi the price.Don't see why it has to be a perfect fit. Just take a bit of care in the way you pack so that you have large items up against the barrier so they aren't going to come around the edges when you stop real quickly. Smaller stuff behind these. There are plenty of second hand barriers around much cheaper than the newies. Just as long as it is able to be fitted inside, even if there is a bit of space around the edges? The models with back supports at right angles to the barrier are good as the extra leverage makes them a lot stronger when you aren't fitting to
seat belt points etc. While believing strongly in cargo barriers, I seem to remember Mythbusters disproving the one about the tissue box.
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Follow Up By: feral - Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:01
Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:01
No flak from this end.
I still think it is all illogical when people push their point about cargo barriers.
My reasons are these. Where is the 'Safety Standard' when you do not have a cargo barrier. There is none and you are not penalised in any way in regards to registration and insurance of yourself or your vehicle.
When asked 'can I install a cargo barrier' the claim is that it must be an approved type, must be installed by a accredited installer or your insurance will not cover you or your vehicle in an accident.
Now don't get me wrong as I whole heartedly agree with cargo barriers but to say that you are not allowed to use an 'unapproved' cargo barrier or install one yourself is wrong. Isn't a cargo barrier, whether an approved type or not, is BETTER than no cargo barrier at all?
To me the law is more important that the device and its application.
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Reply By: glen139 - Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:53
Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:53
If you can get hold of a second hand barrier, you can just buy the mounting kits from Milford...works out a lot cheaper than all brand new.
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Reply By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 13:04
Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 13:04
I got my Milford on eBay for $400 and a mob up the road that's an autorised installed charged me $100 to install.
Well worth the money if you ask me
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 18:23
Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 18:23
The fitting kit for a Milford is $79 I got
mine out of the paper for $100 and it took about 2 hours to fit it.
In Queensland you can ring the two
places that sell Ex Govt trucks etc. They both have a dept that sells accessories like barriers etc.
East Coast Commercials and Cousins are their names.
If you do it yourself follow the instructions and DONT USE THE KIDS CARSEAT HARNESS HOLES. They look tempting but arent for barriers.
Also despite the comments on here I would buy a model specifc version as it also provides crush resistance in the event of a rollover and a hashed up bodgy job may not be as good.
If you paid $400 plus postage or whatever on Ebay you can buy a new one for about $475
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Follow Up By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 18:39
Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 18:39
Interesting
I have had
mine in there for about 2 years. I phoned around and 3
places told me fitted they will charge anywhere from 600-700
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Reply By: donk - Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 21:14
Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 21:14
Out of interest i had a look in the Milford book at work today & the barrier for a Discovery S2 has the highest degree of difficulty to install the mountings (Milford rate vehicles so installers can quote fitted prices to customers)
Regards Don
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