Camp shower Options

Submitted: Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 20:18
ThreadID: 59003 Views:22349 Replies:19 FollowUps:16
This Thread has been Archived
Hi all,
was just wondering on a decent hotwater shower option for me and the cook, traveling round Oz early next year.
Traveling with Eagle Outback and plan to buy a shower tent as well
any suggestions would be great.
thanks :)
Back Expand Un-Read 0 Moderator

Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 20:35

Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 20:35
You'll get a vast array of opinions to this question:

We chose option 1 as it is the one that impacts the least on storage space.

1. A vehicle-mounted heat exchanger and pump. This is all under the bonnet and you simply need to connect the inlet hose (from a bucket/jerry can etc) and the shower hose with rose. The engine's cooling system is used to heat up the showering water. Quick and easy.

2. The Coleman hot water service. This is a self-contained hot water dispenser that operates on LPG/butane? It is about the size of a small generator and has to be stored somewhere. Advantage is that it is autonimous and doesn't have to be near the vehicle.

3. The gas-fired shower (can't remember the name). This looks like an over-grown sky-rocket. It also can be used away from the vehicle but, to my mind, is cumbersome.

4. The el cheapo submersible pump with shower hose attached. Nothing wrong with these except perhaps their longevity. The ones I've seen die prematurely; but they are cheap to replace, so each to his own. With these, you need to pre-heat an amount of water, place in a bucket etc and submerse the small pump. Nice and compact too.

5. The bucket in the tree type. Similar to number 4, but uses gravity feed to dispence the water onto the head of the user.

There may be other types too, but these seem to be the main ones.

Roachie
AnswerID: 311032

Follow Up By: Banjo (WA) - Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 21:11

Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 21:11
Re Option 1.

We carried 15 metres of garden hose for the times when a dam or other water source was available.

Sometimes if the water source was too much lower than the vehicle, and even though the pump is self priming, I had to fill the hose with water before the pump would cope.

Could then have unlimited time under the shower.

Banjo
0
FollowupID: 577044

Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 21:40

Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 21:40
No worries so long as you aren't close enough to the water source so that the waste water will end up back in the creek/river/dam etc.........

In that sort of situation, I prefer to go down to the water's edge and fill a bucket and take back to the shower.

Each to their own I guess......
0
FollowupID: 577053

Follow Up By: EscapeArtists - Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 22:34

Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 22:34
1. A vehicle-mounted heat exchanger and pump. This is all under the bonnet and you simply need to connect the inlet hose (from a bucket/jerry can etc) and the shower hose with rose. The engine's cooling system is used to heat up the showering water. Quick and easy.


Cool, but that means a cold shower unless The Vehicle is warmed up right? Cant Imagine the cook starting the car @5:00am and waiting for a tub!

0
FollowupID: 577068

Follow Up By: ferris - Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 22:48

Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 22:48
Aussie campshower

The rocket shower you're thinking of is the Aussie Campshower. I've had one for almost 5 years, and while they're not particularly user friendly.......what a great shower. We've done trips with upto 30 people tagging along, and everybody has been able to have a good hot shower. A family of 4 can get a good shower with just 20 litres of water if you're careful...........they even roar like a rocket taking off. The best part is you don't have to cart your car down to the river for a shower like the Glind.

Keep the shiny side up
Ferris
0
FollowupID: 577077

Follow Up By: EscapeArtists - Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 22:56

Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 22:56
certainly sounds the goods..
how do they work?
0
FollowupID: 577081

Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 08:13

Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 08:13
G'day Ferris,

Mate...... Please tell me that you don't shower in such a way as to allow your soapy/polluted water to go straight back into the river/creek/dam.....P-L-E-A-S-E tell that's not what you do..........
0
FollowupID: 577116

Follow Up By: ferris - Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 13:05

Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 13:05
G'day Escape Artists,

The Aussie campshower has an industrial gas burner and an aluminium heat exchanger, so it heats a lot of water very quickly. Downside is, that if the water supply fails, the heat exchanger has a life expectancy of around 30 seconds. The design is very rugged and a bit agricultural, and even though it can be awkward to store, the shower always gets thrown in somewhere. It can be fiddly to light so we made some changes so even the youngest children can use it easily. I put a cold water by-pass on, so the kids can adjust the water temp more easily, and a return hose back to the water bucket, for when there is a water shortage. We also got a longer delivery hose to get away from the river a bit......that should allay Roachie's concerns. It is also totally user serviceable, with spare parts available at most gas shops and it is rugged enough that it should last a life time. We often travel and camp in a group of up to 5 families and it more than does the job for us. The other good thing about this shower is that it is Australian designed and made. If you want to know any more, give the designer a call. His number is on the website somewhere.

Keep the shiny side up
Ferris
0
FollowupID: 577179

Reply By: bundyluva - Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 21:26

Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 21:26
We are about to embark on a family trip around Aust and we have the Coleman hot water system. We have used it on camping trips already and all agree that it is the best camping luxury you can have. We travel with it in a grey tub (I think they are from fishing boats) which it fits perfectly in and it then holds enough water for 4 generous showers. We also have family members who have the Coleman system and all are very happy with them.
Hope this is of some use. Might see you on the road......
AnswerID: 311050

Reply By: Member - Au-2 - Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 21:58

Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 21:58
. . . . and then there's the old weed sprayer. After using the gas powered shower units and having the heater switch off every time you turn the shower head (which dribbles continuously) off, and the solar heated shower bag that the handle tears away from and which can heat water to too hot, we have tried and now use the 5 ltr weed sprayer exclusively. Boil kettle pour in hot, top with cold to preference and away you go. With the pressure of the water three people can have compete (hair washing) showers with just 5 litres of water. The sprayer can also be used to wash wind screen and/or dog, rinse dishes before wash up or feet before bed. Women can take a shower whenever it suits them as they don't need the Toolman to set it all up. To top all that off, it hardly weighs anything. I am now about to update the old one to a battery powered one, so no pumping the bottle anymore. How simple is that?
Sheila.
AnswerID: 311067

Follow Up By: geocacher (djcache) - Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 22:40

Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 22:40
Or you could put a schraeder valve in it and charge it from the compressor if you have one on your vehicle.

We used a weed sprayer on the Canning (doubled as an extinguisher) and I agree they are great for cleaning up at the end of the day.

Dave
0
FollowupID: 577070

Follow Up By: Muzzgit [WA] - Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 23:22

Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 23:22
We have decided to go the weed sprayer route but they are a bit dodgy in cold weather.

Warm or hot weather - no wuckers, they are great. They cost about 20 bucks at a hardware store and will easily wash two people with one fill.

They are especially great when it's really hot and you have just spent half the day setting up camp or packing up camp. Get the sprayer out, get yer gear off and a quick hose down with cold water brings the body temp back to respectability very quickly. Better still leave yer gear on, wet clothing will stay cool as long as you're moving about.

When it's cold, I have found it better to use a bucket of hot water and a cup in the toilet tent , and make sure you wash or shower before dinner, not after dark (brrrr too cold).
.
0
FollowupID: 577091

Follow Up By: Member - Alanc - Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 01:13

Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 01:13
Hey Au-2 / Muzzgit What brand of sprayers do you use and have you modified the nozzle?
We are about to embark on a trip from Perth to Northern Qld and might need a shower along the way, it sounds like this might be a simple way to solve the shower problem when not staying in a CP. Any info would be appreciated.
Regards AC
0
FollowupID: 577100

Follow Up By: Muzzgit [WA] - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 22:17

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 22:17
Alan, I have not changed the one I have, but I would like to! Sometimes I just take the nozzle off the end but we go thru a bit more water than I would like.

Rick (aka member Doggy Tease) has one with a sower head on it. I got only a fleeting glimpse of it when camped with them a few years back but it looked like the end off one of those black solar showers.

Ours is a Hills 6L garden sprayer.

We have two of those heavy mats made out of old tyres to stand on to keep our feet out of the wet sand. And I always make sure the bottom of the shower tent doesn't invite snakes to crawl under.

On a warm evening two people cam easily shower with one fill. One third hot water 2 thirds cold.
0
FollowupID: 577501

Reply By: EscapeArtists - Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 22:45

Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 22:45
Thanks greatly for the suggestions!!
I'm going to look into the weed sprayer first up, and to see if we can get the right fittings etc.. it makes sense to use air pressure rather than rely on gizmos. The search is Far from over to say the least!

thanks all, great advice. :)
AnswerID: 311084

Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 07:29

Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 07:29
Pretty sound decision. We've go a Coleman and it is wonderful, but I'm far from certain the amount of set up time is any less than a weed sprayer.

Jim.

0
FollowupID: 577107

Follow Up By: Member - Au-2 - Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 18:37

Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 18:37
The only mod we made to the sprayer was to shorten the wand, which was not adjustable, as it is held close to the body. This was a problem for our daughter, who is slightly handicapped, and needed someone on hand to help her with the Coleman. We found that we had to hold it a fair way off to use it and, after putting very hot water into the bottle, the on/off valve/trigger started to leak. Unscrewing the valve and wrapping some teflon plumbers tape around the thread solved this problem. The nozzle, set on spray, can remove all soap in a very short time, which was never the case with the Coleman. Usually the water got cold because we turned the shower off to soap-up and it required the Toolman to get it started again while the showerees teeth were nearly pulverised by chattering and we always used more water than we should have. We got our showers down to -4 ltrs for the three of us pretty quickly after changing to the sprayer.
Our 1st sprayer was a cheapie ($7.99) as an experiment. When we travel, we go to very isolated places to prospect for gold and have to be self sufficient waterwise. We have a 140ltr tank on the Camper Trailer and carry 9 x 20 ltr jerries to last 3 adults, 1 dog, for up to 2 weeks, if there are no creeks or rivers handy. Using the Coleman unit took at least 5 ltrs per person per day, which was not very economical in these circumstances.
I have used slow flowing river water for everything but cooking and do not use it to top up the tank in the trailer. I did find that there was a fair amount of muck in the water and filtered it through fishtank filter wool (weighs 0) as I filled the jerry can. By adding a bit of swimming pool chlorine and leaving it to sit for a while with the lid off, the water was sparklingly clear and odourless and stayed that way until we left that site. We showered with this water and I also washed our very dirty clothes in it whenever needed. I used a separate billy to boil this water as I didn't know how the chlorine would affect our kettle, chemically speaking. The blue Willow jerry can and/or a solar bag can be left out in the sun all day to warm up, and just pour it into the sprayer when needed.
There are no problems with this method other than the first spray out of the sprayer is usually cold water. This can be avoided by spraying the feet first or back into the jerry, until hot water comes through. We have a pop-up shower tent that is used as a loo too, and find that it gets like a sauna inside after the first shower. This is one of the rare times when everybody wants to be last in line. It all depends on how hot you make the water in the sprayer. There is also a lot less water under the mat on the ground when everyone is finished showering and drains/soaks away fairly quickly afterward.
The sprayer is also handy for washing the dishes after a greasy bar-b-que, the pressure of the water forces all the mess off the plates and a lot less of the campers tank water is used. Another point I might mention too, is that the river water is softer than the town water we take in our camper and that is a big plus with its cleaning power.
I now have a HILLS 3ltr battery operated sprayer from Mitre 10, with adjustable wand and I look forward to my first winter shower in the bush with it.
Good luck with your shower hunt, EscapeArtist!
Sheila.
0
FollowupID: 577272

Reply By: P7OFFROAD Accredited Driver Training - Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 23:32

Thursday, Jun 19, 2008 at 23:32
I had been eyeing off the Coleman HWOD for 2 years... Finally bitthe bullet not long ago, One of my better decisions!
AnswerID: 311096

Follow Up By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 07:33

Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 07:33
I did the same when they were on sale at BCF, we got the shower tent and 4 x foam shower mats thrown in as part of the deal.

Cheers Sir Kev
Russell Coight:
He was presented with a difficult decision: push on into the stretching deserts, or return home to his wife.

Lifetime Member
My Profile  My Blog  Send Message

0
FollowupID: 577108

Reply By: didiaust - Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 07:29

Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 07:29
Have had a Primus gas HWS for a few years - best camping accessory we have ever bought. Before used a bilge pump in a bucket of warm water. I too am curious about the weed spray- do you make any adjustments etc to it?
AnswerID: 311121

Reply By: Brian - Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 07:37

Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 07:37
We started with the solar shower...... moved up to the Primus Hot Water System 3 or 4 years ago but, although it's good, it is fiddly to work. Graduated to the Coleman Hot Water On Demand system and couldn't be happier! Lightweight, portable and simple to set up and use!

Cheers

Brian (Gold Coast)
AnswerID: 311124

Reply By: Debbie_115 - Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 07:48

Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 07:48
We purchased the Primus hot water unit and a shower tent, late last year, which we have found to be very good. We have 6 of us plus there were others with us that also used this over a long weekend and again at christmas and we have all been very happy with it. We set the shower up beside the caravan, and took the power directly from the battery and water up from the river, which to save trips we put into a plastic garbage bin (about 60 litre).

We have had the solar units which is ok if you have the sun.

I have to say I do like the idea of the spray bottle especially when there is limited water.

If like you there were only 2 of us we may have purchased the Coleman, unfortunately I couldn't get an answer from anyone (including Coleman) about how long this unit would last before the battery needs to be recharged (and at that time I didn't know about this site) and with 6 of us it is a lot different to 2.

Good luck with your purchase and remember to look at what options you may need to purchase eg with coleman, the shower head is optional .



AnswerID: 311126

Reply By: Ozboc - Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 09:09

Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 09:09
I have the Primus camp shower -- and the colman Shower tent/ toilet tent

The initial flow of water from the shower is not that great - but the water sure does get very warm / hot( even when getting from freezing cold river) - after you have set the water temperature ( takes about 30 seconds on each adjustment ) just go in and shower -- it may seam like little water flow at first -- and if in middle of winter - it feels cold ( air temp) - but after about 2 minutes the tent really warms up from the heat of the water -- and you feel really comfortable.

We use a 35 Litre garbage bin to hold the water and just throw the submersible pump into that and that gives us a 10 minutes shower.

A little side note - we generally set up the shower tent with the door facing away from your camp ( or others ) that way you can put a chair in front of the tent and put all your dry clothes and towel on it - and then when you open the door you have little chance of subjecting people to your horrible white wrinkly body ( kidding )

Boc

P.s we use the water bucket for holding the gas bottle and other bits and pieces when traveling - so it serves a second purpose in our jayco.


AnswerID: 311143

Reply By: Outa Bounds - Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 09:12

Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 09:12
Hi there,

We have a Primus Hot Camp Shower System, but we have it permanently set up in our shed whilst building a house. It's connected to a 9kg gas bottle, car battery & draws water from a small version of a council garbage bin. It's been going really well for months now (the fist one was a bit faulty and had to exchange it within the month).
So if anything I can vouch for their durability, showering four of us every single night.

But the potentials pains in the butt I can see is having to set it up with a battery and gas bottle close, particularly if you're having to do it every night/morning, But on the other hand a small gas bottle would probably be ample, and the Orbital blue top battery is not that heavy, it's what we've got at the moment and I find it doesn't need charging very often as the pump obviously doesn't have a huge power draw. Water isn't the problem because you'd have a bucket or something, just make sure the water is relatively clean.

Hah, the heat & flow rate is adequate even now in the winter temps, and it's certainly a water efficient way to shower (compared to a real shower anyway).
AnswerID: 311145

Follow Up By: Outa Bounds - Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 09:17

Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 09:17
Ours is just like Ozboc's system.

Also wanted to say that the 9kg gas bottle hasn't run out yet and we've been using it since about late January gee time flies that's almost 6 months!
0
FollowupID: 577133

Reply By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 09:13

Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 09:13
I have a twine under the bonnet that came with the car and I really can't fault it. I have upgraded the pump and it can pump 17L per min. It's very quick and easy and it doesn't take up any room in the car
AnswerID: 311146

Reply By: DIO - Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 09:29

Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 09:29
Notice that your grand uncle didn't include in his words of wisdom anything about a nice long hot shower at the end of the day !!! he WOULD be disappointed in you.
AnswerID: 311150

Reply By: Shaker - Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 13:53

Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 13:53
We have had both Primus & Coleman .... there is no doubt that the Coleman is the better of the two.
AnswerID: 311200

Reply By: RobAck - Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 16:40

Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 16:40
We have two solutions to this. One is the underbonnet unit and all we do is have the plumbing connections hooked up with the pump and heat exchange in a storage box as we find with a decent length of hose you can move the shower tent well away from the vehicle. Something to definately think about.

The other option is a 12 volt portable shower from a camping store, a house alarm battery (gel type are the best). This gives you a totally portable solution and all you do is heat up the water and adjust the temperature and carry that bucket or whatever over to your shower tent, hook up the power and away you go. Nice and easy. Cheap and simple to pack away and if the shower unit packs it in it will cost you around 420 to replace it. And before anyone chimes in we have an inverter in the car to charge the battery.

The battery we use is an AmpTech AT1275 and a Projecta 900ma charger.

Regards

RobA
AnswerID: 311241

Reply By: garryk - Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 16:56

Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 16:56
G'day
Have been thinking of this issue myself and think that the price of one of the coleman units would go some way toward purchase of a 1 kva generator that would be very useful ( A Honda or Yamaha , not one of those cheap noisy pieces of rubbish)
Take up similar space
So how to heat the water with 240volt power? any ideas ?

Garry
AnswerID: 311248

Follow Up By: Outa Bounds - Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 20:16

Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 20:16
Well if I knew the answer to that then I wouldn't be using a camp shower system at the moment at home. Lol if you can all imagine it, we have a proper shower base set up on a few stumps (to allow for the plumbing) and one of those camping awnings over the lot! It is temporary because we don't want to keep the facilities in the shed once the house is built.

When the first faulty unit suddenly bit the bullet (I knew it was faulty from the start only after the fact because it was always very fidgety compared to the replacement unit) I think it was one of the safety switches that was dicky. Anyway the only other way to heat the water was in a big pot on the stove! And then wash the kids and have a wash down myself in a really big bucket! Thankfully this was only required for one night till I drove back to the store & got it exchanged the next day.

But how these types of units work, you pump the water in by some means, through hose and then through copper tubing where you heat it with a naked flame of some sort, through more hose and the shower head. I imagine the car systems work with the same sort of principle.

With 240v I imagine you would want to use a similar method to boiling a kettle (isn't that how a hot water system works anyway), but it would have to be a continuous system from water source to shower head, and somehow regulated so it doesn't get too hot. So mini hot water system would be ideal but then you have the problem of getting the right temp or the right amount of cold water.

When we lived overseas for the first part of my life it was in a very basic sort of lifestyle. Mum used to have a huge pot of water on the wood stove, and used to tip it in the tub along with the right amount of cold water when it was bath time once a week!
0
FollowupID: 577301

Reply By: Richard W (NSW) - Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 18:24

Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 18:24
Another vote for the Coleman.
AnswerID: 311276

Reply By: Vivid Adventures - Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 18:44

Friday, Jun 20, 2008 at 18:44
Jayco El Cheapo - from memory $19 submersible pump.
Drop it in a $2 20litre white plastic bucket of warmed water.
Does for a good 20 minute shower.
Also serves as a pump to fill up my water tank from a water source.
AnswerID: 311279

Reply By: Member - Craig M (QLD) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 08:43

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 08:43
We have a coleman and a small inflatable kiddies pool. Wash humans then wash dog then water trees/grass.
Found out that by the time you heat the water on the fire/stove you have lost the urge for a tub. With the kiddies pool SWMBO can have a bath as well.
Before the flamers come out, We only use a filtered local water supply well away from the source with enviromentally friendly soapy stuff. I have modded 2 plastic jerrycans to accept the coleman pump by fitting a boyancy tank hatch from the local boat shop where the opening is. Had to after I booted the plastic collapsible thing across the campground after it split half way through a shower in the middle of winter.

Craig
AnswerID: 311366

Reply By: Member - julie S (VIC) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 12:33

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 12:33
The weed sprayer used for a shower sounds a great idea. What did you do to modify the nozzle and handle. Any ideas for this type of shower sounds good.
Julie
AnswerID: 311430

Sponsored Links