problem with Tekonsha Prodigy - C gone missing on display

Submitted: Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 17:35
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My Prodigy seems to be working ok. However, the display used to show .c to indicate that the caravan is connected. Recently, the c has disappeared. When the unit is connected it flashes n.c. for 15 seconds as it's meant to according to the manual, but after 15 secs it just shows . without the c Any ideas? Thanks. Rob.
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Reply By: Member - Charlie M (SA) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 17:57

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 17:57
Is it earthed properly, mine did this one trip and it was the earth from the control to the body to activate unit.
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Reply By: Notso - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 18:10

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 18:10
Is the connection to the van working? When I say working is the pin clean and not corroded, is it making firm contact with the socket on the vehicle. Try running a thin knife blade down the split in the pin to spread it a bit. on a 7 pin it is one of the middle pins.

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Reply By: Member - Hughesy (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 21:38

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 21:38
HI Rob,

I had this happen on mine. It was intermittant and I would pull up and check the plug but all was good.

Eventually I had a look underneath and found one of the wires going to the brakes had been nearly cut all the way thru by a rock. Put a joiner in and all has been good since. Also put tubing over all wiring and tied it up out of harms way.

I now have an intermitant problem where it doesn't pick up the signal that I'm pushing on the brake pedal....can't figure that one out yet. I think it might be a faulty brake switch.
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Reply By: geocacher (djcache) - Sunday, Jun 22, 2008 at 00:46

Sunday, Jun 22, 2008 at 00:46
Many installers just earth them to body work inside the cab.

The manual clearly states that this can cause problems - god knows why - and that they should be earthed directly back to the battery.

Stick your head under the dash and follow back and see where the white wire is going to.

(Incidently designer made black positive & white negative for some strange reason...)

Dave
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Reply By: Dunaruna - Sunday, Jun 22, 2008 at 09:43

Sunday, Jun 22, 2008 at 09:43
.nc means no circuit (not connected, there is no signal from the magnets [blue wire]).

.c means circuit (correctly connected).

Both the nc and the c may disappear after a short time, this is normal. As long as the dot before the letters is still there, that dot indicates all is normal. If there is a dot after the letters, you have the boost turned on.
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Follow Up By: Flash - Sunday, Jun 22, 2008 at 12:09

Sunday, Jun 22, 2008 at 12:09
Yes,
mine's never had the C and it's never been a problem.
It all works perfectly.
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Follow Up By: Outbackogre - Sunday, Jun 22, 2008 at 13:09

Sunday, Jun 22, 2008 at 13:09
Thanks to all for responses. Dunaruna and Flash, it's helpful to know the missing C is normal. It does seem to work ok on the road but I thought the lack of the C was flagging a (potential) problem. Cheers. Rob.
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Reply By: Krakka - Sunday, Jun 22, 2008 at 18:25

Sunday, Jun 22, 2008 at 18:25
Think the missing c is not normal, however the c on my panel comes and goes. What I found by reading the manual was that the unit in the car is not mounted at the " optimal" angle. If I go down hill, the c is visible, if i go up hill or level the c disappears.
Cheers Krakka
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Follow Up By: Dunaruna - Sunday, Jun 22, 2008 at 19:52

Sunday, Jun 22, 2008 at 19:52
If the angle is too high or too low a pair of bars will appear in the display.

A disappearing c is normal as long as the dot remains.
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Follow Up By: Krakka - Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 05:13

Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 05:13
Not according to the instruction manual, I can also physically change the angle by a couple of degrees which changes the c. The dot remains and the controller works ok.
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Reply By: Nomadic Navara - Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 01:00

Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 01:00
At rest the display should show ( . .). When you plug your van in you should see the 15 seconds of flashing (n.c.). The display should then show ( .n.) for 15 minutes and if there has been no activity (touching brake pedal etc) during that time the controller will go to sleep and the display should go blank. If you then touch the brake pedal the display should light up with ( .n.) If there is any other indications or blank display when there should be something showing, then you have a fault.

The fact that you get the first 15 seconds of ( .n.) shows that there is some amount of brake load on the unit. As the first couple of replies suggested thoroughly check the wiring to the unit, especially the battery and earth connections. The positive supply wire should go directly to the battery positive terminal through a thermal self resetting circuit breaker. It should not be attached to the vehicle wiring or have a fuse in circuit.

If you have any problems in the trailer brake circuitry as suggested in the third reply you should get a display indication of (n.c.). If not then the Prodigy is most likely faulty. I have had the (n.c.) display come up the other day and it was a break in the wiring to one of the brakes. If you get that display, climb under you van and tug at each joint or suspect looking wire – if they come apart they were either faulty or about to become so.

When the controller goes to sleep the display blanks completely, it does not display the two dots ( . .) as suggested in reply 6. When you touch the brake pedal the controller should wake up and display ( .n.).

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Follow Up By: Dunaruna - Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 20:57

Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 20:57
n does not and will never appear on it's own.

When plugged into the van .c should be on the display, not n.c

If all is well, there is no delay when when the van is plugged in, .c will display immeadiately, not after 15 seconds.

Sorry Peter, your post is full of errors.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 22:10

Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 22:10
I have reread my post and I can not see where I indicated that "n" appears on its own. Which line does that occur on?

When I have the van plugged into the tug and one of the brake wires has become disconnected then I have a display of (n.c.) on the controller. I only get the display of ( .c.) when the brake wiring is all OK. I have not has an occasion where the wiring has broken and both brakes are not working, If I had I would expect that I would have a display of ( . .) - same as the plug not in.

I have not ever observed the display within 15 seconds of plugging the van in. I have just repeated what is on the card that I read whilst composing reply 7. The card may not be applicable to some models of Prodigy controllers or misleading.

Upon re-reading my post, your followup and the card I see no errors in my posting.

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Follow Up By: Dunaruna - Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 23:07

Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 23:07
This is your post (reply 7). My comments are in brackets {}
I wish I could highlight or bold but don't know how on this site.


At rest the display should show ( . .). {Only If boost is on, one dot if boost is off} When you plug your van in you should see the 15 seconds of flashing (n.c.). {No, should read .c} The display should then show ( .n.) {No, .n. will never appear} for 15 minutes and if there has been no activity (touching brake pedal etc) during that time the controller will go to sleep and the display should go blank. If you then touch the brake pedal the display should light up with ( .n.) {Once again will never show .n.} If there is any other indications or blank display when there should be something showing, then you have a fault.

The fact that you get the first 15 seconds of ( .n.) {?} shows that there is some amount of brake load on the unit. As the first couple of replies suggested thoroughly check the wiring to the unit, especially the battery and earth connections. The positive supply wire should go directly to the battery positive terminal through a thermal self resetting circuit breaker. It should not be attached to the vehicle wiring or have a fuse in circuit.

If you have any problems in the trailer brake circuitry as suggested in the third reply you should get a display indication of (n.c.). If not then the Prodigy is most likely faulty. I have had the (n.c.) display come up the other day and it was a break in the wiring to one of the brakes. If you get that display, climb under you van and tug at each joint or suspect looking wire – if they come apart they were either faulty or about to become so.

When the controller goes to sleep the display blanks completely, it does not display the two dots ( . .) as suggested in reply 6. When you touch the brake pedal the controller should wake up and display ( .n.). {?}

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