feul savers

Submitted: Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 13:37
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hi, have just been on the internet re fuel savers, is there any such thing, im heading off on a trip for about 3 months. i will be driving a new NISSAN pathfinder turbo desiel ,cant get a long range fuel tank fitted,so i want to know if there is any thing that will give me better economy.im towing an off road camper trailer.
dont need to know that i should have bought a Toyota or a mitz, just need a fair dinkum answer. maybe a Dyno tune.

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Reply By: Stephen M (NSW) - Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 13:46

Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 13:46
Its called keeping the right foot up a bit and try and cruise in the 90k range instead of 100/110k zone you will be surprised by the difference. Keep up correct tyre pressures when on road both in the camper and Pathi. Depending on klms you have done I doubt a dyno will help. If you in the vicinty of 100k then it might be worth getting the injectors checked/done by a specialist. Other then that have a great trip. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 15:20

Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 15:20
Hard to beat that advice - Just about to head of for 6000km myself cruising at 90 and with tyres at around 45psi.

Its also worth always filling tank up and recording mileage every time you fill up to give yourself a realistic reference.
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Reply By: The Landy - Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 13:47

Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 13:47
A well tuned engine will make sure it is efficient, but to be honest I think the way you drive it will have the greatest influence on fuel economy.

A reduction in highway speed can yeild a big difference especially towing a camper trailer.

Enjoy your trip.....
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Reply By: Notso - Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 13:49

Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 13:49
You could investigate the Diesel/Gas set up

http://www.eco-gas.com.au/

http://www.dieselgasaustralia.com.au/

These two systems have been around a while.

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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 14:29

Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 14:29
Filters.

Can make a 1 to 2l/100k difference.

Diesels (as with any engine) give better economy with clean air filters and clean fuel filters.

If travelling dusty roads, tap out the air filter every few days.
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Reply By: RobAck - Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 16:17

Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 16:17
All good and sensible comment. Check with your local auto club if you are a member. I recollect they tested them some time back and surprise surprise found they did nothing to modern engines. The most obvious reason is that all modern engines are controlled by computers which deal with engine management on a millisecond basis. So there is nothing you can do to upset that environment. Unless of course you decide to spend somewhere over $1000 and put a performance chip in. These tend to bypass the vehicle manufacturers conservative engine management settings. Remember the manufacturer wants the engine to actually last and perform for its whole life which is normally expected to be well beyond 300000 kms for diesels in particular.

Cruising at 90 KPH, only carrying the load you need to, remove roof bars/racks unless necessary. Tyre pressures are an interesting one but in all the testing we have done anything over 40 psi, for your average 4WD or car, gives you no benefit at all. As well the higher you go above placard pressures then the greater the vibration and road shock that is transmitted and that can certainly make life very uncomfortable behind the wheel or as a passenger.

It is the rolling resistance of the tyre, not the pressure that is worth understanding. The wider and softer the tyre the greater the grip and therefore the greater the rolling resistance. Another example is fitting heavier tyres, eg 6-10 ply etc. These are significantly heavier so increasing rolling resistance and along with that fuel economy. As well if you fit taller tyres then the vehilce will be working harder to drive the taller tyre so again your fuel economy goes up. I don't know how many people I have met who have complained that something is wrong but have never made the connection between the fact that they just fitted LT tyres so increasing the weight by around, and additonal 15 kgs per tyre. Totals 60kgs for four tyres which is the same as adding another person to the car for it to carry around.

However if you have tyres that are the same size as recommended by the manufacturer then your vehicle's fuel economy should be within the normal range.

When towing you should try and match the pressures in the trailer to the vehicle.By this I do not mean having the same pressure in both car and trailer tyres. If you know the actual weight of your full camper trailer your local tyre supplier should be able to calculate a starting tyre pressure for it from his tyre specification book.

Regards

RobA
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Tuesday, Jun 24, 2008 at 09:40

Tuesday, Jun 24, 2008 at 09:40
Rob,

The other thing with fitting taller tyres is that your 'perceived' economy will drop if you don't make allowance for the speedo difference.

Matt.
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Reply By: madfisher - Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 17:20

Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 17:20
All good advice. One thing I can add is I have just gone to a lighter oil. 10/30 xt professional by castrol. Mainly over the cooler months. May not be revelent to a diesel.
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: DIO - Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 17:22

Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 17:22
Just remember, if you drive below the speed limit you will not only incur the wrath of other road users but you also create a much greater (hazard) risk to yourself and for others. Think about it. Have a safe trip.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 18:50

Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 18:50
DIO

I would have to disagree with you on the wrath point.

Since I have been back in NSW I have seen a noticable number of cars and heavy vehicles sitting around the 90/95 mark.

Given fuel prices i would expect the trend to continue.

I also would not be surprised to see the road toll come down.

All the best Bob.
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Follow Up By: madfisher - Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 21:04

Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 21:04
Provided you only sit 10ks below the speed limit I do not see a problem. I done a quick trip in a work vehicle today sitting on speed limit and come accross heaps of cars sitting on 90. It is not hard to wipe off 10ks, just ease off the throttle. Only got passed by one vehicle in 60ks so people have slowed down .Even the p platers have slowed down . LOL
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: madfisher - Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 21:13

Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 21:13
Its when their is a speed diffential of 30ks plus their could be a problem. Always worries me when I slow down in fog that some idiot will run up my backside.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Waynepd (NSW) - Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 21:16

Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 21:16
I try to sit at 10km below in 100 zones these days but usually only if there's another lane for the speedsters to spend their fuel in.

I think doing 60, 70 or 50 in their proper zones won't make that much difference.
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Reply By: Ken - Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 20:19

Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 20:19
What about a FITCH or a Hiclone ??
LOL

Ken
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Follow Up By: Waynepd (NSW) - Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 21:11

Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 21:11
SOMEone had to say it didn't they.....LOL

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Reply By: madfisher - Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 21:10

Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 21:10
I can remember that if truckies switched to sythethic oils in their entire drivelines the fuel saving was 5%. Maybe worth trying in 4wds as well.
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: Batt's - Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 22:45

Monday, Jun 23, 2008 at 22:45
Now that hiclone has been mentioned I had one in a TD5 Disco didn't notice any difference. BUT in a HJ61 Sahara factory turbo it did make a difference first I had a 2 and a half inch exhaust and a K&N filter fitted with 33" tyres the very best econmy at 100ks was 11.2lts then with Hiclone's 10.7. Around town 11.5 to12.8 that is exceptional considering the vehicle weighed 2.3ton with a full tank and no passengers.I was very sceptical for about 3yrs before i bought them. I had always checked my fuel economy not just when I bought the Hiclones.Sold 4WD with 440kms had Hiclone for last 100.000ks Also turbo came in 300 rpm earlier and could idle to1250rpm in 5th without labouring that was deffinately unexpected before laboured at 1350 to 1400rpm in top gear they worked for me but only in one vehicle.
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Reply By: Member - paul M (VIC) - Tuesday, Jun 24, 2008 at 09:28

Tuesday, Jun 24, 2008 at 09:28
thanks everyone,the vehicle has only 900 ks on the clock ,by the 3rd of july it will have had its first sevice. went away 2 years ago in a petrol GQ for 3 months. this is my first desiel and im a bit toeeeeee, i thought somebody might mention the DP CHIP anyway . i did pick up a bit of info in your letters
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Tuesday, Jun 24, 2008 at 09:38

Tuesday, Jun 24, 2008 at 09:38
Paul,

The other thing to remember is that new diesels are fairly tight and your economy will improve as the engine runs in. Quite noticeably.

Matt.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Jun 24, 2008 at 17:20

Tuesday, Jun 24, 2008 at 17:20
Fuel Watch is all you need
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZlT4w2tZmg
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