National Drivers Licence

Submitted: Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 17:28
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Spoke to a traveller from Qld who is working his way round the block. After leaving Qld he passed through NSW & ended up in Adelaide where he wanted to get work driving for the state govt but to do so had to change to a SA licence. No probs ; did that . but then of course Qld automatically cancelled his Qld Licence. After some time he headed to WA to work . Three months into WA his SA licence came up for renewal but bcause he was out of the state they would not renew it. So he went to WA licencing to transfer his licence but because he is not a permanent WA resident they wont give him a licence either. So how does a person get home? Break the law & drive without a licence? His very disgruntled missus is now faced with a long drive home. How stupid does it get!!!! Boy; do we ever need a national drivers licence.
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Reply By: Member - Mark G (NSW) - Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 18:01

Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 18:01
JOMAH; the only national licence scheme at the moment is the national heavy vehicle licence.yes the system is screwed,but as i found out that if you do something wrong in one state under this scheme it does follow you home to your home state.there is good and bad either way,cheers.
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Follow Up By: SteveL - Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 18:12

Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 18:12
There is no such thing as a national heavy vehicle license either.
I just recently changed my "National" Victorian License for a "National" W.A. one.-Steve
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark G (NSW) - Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 18:19

Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 18:19
STEVEL ; do you have a heavy vehicle lic ?
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 18:51

Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 18:51
Mark G ,
I Have a "heavy vehicle" licence and it says "Licence of Northern Territory" across the top of it.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark G (NSW) - Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 19:12

Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 19:12
HAIRY (NT); this is interesting cause a search on google reveals that most states all say they have a national licence for heavy vehicles.i am not saying you guys are wrong but why is it called "national" , even when on the top of the licence it says what ever state your from?even your log book says it too,bloody confusing?????
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Follow Up By: SteveL - Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 20:21

Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 20:21
Yes,mine was a heavy vehicle license.I had to hand in my old license and get a new W.A. one (with no mention of being national) with a new license number.
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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 20:39

Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 20:39


This is what is across the top of mine ??? I have semi licence. I know if I get cought for any offences in another state and here in NSW it will come back and bite me. If you get done by say a camera in your car (not truck) and your other half just has a normal licence you can say she was driving and you will only have to pay the fine and lose no demrit points. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 20:52

Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 20:52
Should explain myself a bit better. IF your vehicle is done by a camera in your home state (what is written on licence) say in my case Sydney either myself or wife would be paying a fine and losing points. IF my vehicle (car, NOT TRUCK) is done in say QLD if I said I was driving I would lose points plus pay a fine due to my licence being a "Heavy Vehicle Driver Licence". If I said my wife was driving who just has a normal car licence she would have to pay the fine but wont lose points. Bit of a loop hole for anybody with a truck licence driving there car NOT TRUCK in another state. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 20:54

Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 20:54
"say in my case Sydney" sorry should "New South Wales "
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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Friday, Jun 27, 2008 at 15:34

Friday, Jun 27, 2008 at 15:34
The only thing national for heavy vehicles is a log book.
Cheers Dave....
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 18:02

Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 18:02
Yeah... maybe... then, maybe not.

Although the different state laws may sometimes be inconvenient the separation of the States and Commonwealth is as close as any country can get to ensuring there will never be a dictatorship in Oz and, in my opinion, that is a very worthwhile price to pay.

Never allow the bastards to have too much power concentrated in too few hands.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark G (NSW) - Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 18:08

Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 18:08
MIKE; you could b rite there!!!!!!
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Follow Up By: Max - Sydney - Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 18:35

Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 18:35
Mike - that's fine, but does not explain how that poor devil that jomah met can get home legally without making the missus drive all the way.

Trivia like that are not different enough from state to state to require different licences.

And does a sparky forget how to do his job if he moves to another state? So badly that he has to go to TAFE all over again?

That is dictatorship of the petty bureaucrat! After all - California gets by with one state government and it twice the population of OZ!

Max
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 19:54

Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 19:54
Mike,

My gut feeling is to agree with you. But it is interesting, is it not, that the states can organise protocols/agreements between them, when it suits the states.

If this fellow was booked for speeding in WA, there is plenty of inter-state cooperation to ensure that the points would come off his QLD licence. But renewing a licence while interstate? Recognising a vehicle inspection conducted in another state? Not likely.

I agree with your thoughts on the decentralisation of power. But unfortunately in many cases it is an excuse to create even more bizarre and complex bureaucracies! Just ones a little further away from from my home town is all.

Matt.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 20:13

Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 20:13
Matt:

Don't get me started! :)

Give people power and they will seek more. There is a quote, something to the effect of... "Those who seek to govern us are the ones least suited to do so" or some such....

It seems to me that many people in Oz are only too happy to have more and more government control, I consider this to be a very unhealthy state of affairs and would be far happier to see Australians taking to the streets more and telling their government exactly what the populous will not accept. After all are governments not there to serve us?

On the subject of quotations:
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"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one."

Thomas Paine, “Common Sense” (1776)
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Mike Harding
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Reply By: DIO - Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 18:13

Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 18:13
Won't happen in our lifetime. States are very reluctant to part with any power or means of revenue raising. Nearest thing to it is the National (accredited) Heavy Vehicle Drivers Licence.
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Reply By: kiwicol - Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 19:07

Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 19:07
you can get a licence in any state, as long as it hasnt expired, have just gon through the process in wa, the only major problem is giving an address, they will accept a caravan receipt for one nite stay as long as it has your name on it, they need a proof of residance. if you have a state only addition to your licence make sure you inform the transport dept in that state that you have another state licence other wise they will cancel it on the grounds you do not hold a current licence. and there is no such thing as a national heavy licence, i hold a MC but still had to prove proof of residance in that state when renewing. Col
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Reply By: Member Boroma 604 - Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 19:10

Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 19:10
Gooday,
Perhaps it has changed, but I got a WA licence using a Caravan Park as my permanent address, approx 4 years ago, yes they cancelled my Qld Licence but did not quibble when I told them we were living full time in our Caravan which we were at the time.
When it ran out, went and had it replaced here in Qld as we were off the road again.
Cheers,
Boroma604
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Reply By: HowdyDoody - Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 19:14

Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 19:14
Would also help defence families that move around often. A national registration system would be great too - all those transfer fees and roadworthy costs everytime you get moved interstate...
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Reply By: Member - Andrew (WA) - Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 19:24

Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 19:24
Guys

There are BIG changes coming into effect July 1. The national Drivers License scheme is here and I believe all states bar 1 are involved. Can't remember which one.

The scheme has been introduced so people in Oz can't have multiple licenses. IE lose 12 points and thus your license in WA so you start using your Victorian 'current' license instead!!!..No more.

It's all linked now. Lose it in one state, lose it in all states!

In WA they are introducing a 'Good Behaviour Period' (GBP)....in effect it means that if you lose you MDL because of demerit suspension you have 2 options...
1/ Accept your period of suspension (3 months) as usual, or
2/ Opt for the GBP. This means you get another 12 months on the road no props, but if you commit any traffic offence that carries 2 or more demerit points in that 12 months, you will lose your MDL for twice the original period you would have served.

All this info is available on the DPI site WA. There are many other changes too. Advertising in WA will commence soon.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark G (NSW) - Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 19:50

Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 19:50
ANDREW; "loose it in one state ,loose it in all states" is what i found last year.went through the court system as well,and they did mention the GBP as well. i think the only state not involved yet is VIC ?.
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Reply By: Holden4th - Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 19:57

Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 19:57
Your licence is based on where you officially reside and that's your choice. If you go on a major trip around Oz your mail has to go somewhere and that address, provided it's not a PO Box (though I may be wrong here) is your official residence. For a state to make you an official resident you have to officially reside there.

The simple way is to use the internet if your licence is about to expire and register in your home state - after all, you will have the rego plates from there. This guy decided to become an SA resident so he wore the consequences.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 20:35

Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 20:35
wrong
your resience is where you tell them it is. your postal address is not necc your residence.
My postal address was in SA but I lived in Kalgoorlie and also had a PO box there. I held both an SA heavy veice national liscene and a WA C class liscense while liing in a caravan not venat a carvan park for years.
My address was just pistol club Hopkins street.
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Follow Up By: kiwicol - Friday, Jun 27, 2008 at 00:37

Friday, Jun 27, 2008 at 00:37
Sorry holden,things have moved on you need to show prove of residance in a particular state if you whish to apply for a licence in that state, your mailing address can be any where in oz. The internet is not always the go as age comes into it, eye tests need to be done if you wear glasses. The only thing that doesnt change is if you change to another state the remaining time to expirery stays with the licence, even when it becomes another state licence, but if you start work in another state you have to change your licence even if you dont reside there. Col
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 20:30

Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 20:30
He CAN get a WA one how do you think all the Kiwis and Eastern staters living in Kalgoorlie caravan parks and backpackers etc while looking/workingin the mines go?
none will look at you without a WA liscense
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Reply By: Mainey (wa) - Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 21:10

Thursday, Jun 26, 2008 at 21:10
I lived on a beach on the West Aussie Coast for too many years
It was a long way to the other end of the street
Image Could Not Be Found Mainey . . .
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Friday, Jun 27, 2008 at 21:11

Friday, Jun 27, 2008 at 21:11
Mainey, now we all know where you live...
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Reply By: Member Boroma 604 - Friday, Jun 27, 2008 at 09:02

Friday, Jun 27, 2008 at 09:02
Gooday,
Just been reminded,
We live in Qld and MY Manager (Wife) renewed her Licence on the Internet only a few weeks ago, had to have Credit Card to pay the $68-00 but no security check, NOTHING.
Cheers,
Boroma604.
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