SR toyta hilux ignition wire

Submitted: Saturday, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:50
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Hi,

Am helping a mate to wire up his battery circuit to the camper batteries. We want to use a relay to disconnect the circuit when starting the engine. So battery under bonnet connected to camper battery when engine off and when starting engine batteries disconnected.

Have done this before on his old hilux but can't find an ignition that meets the requirements. Need a wire that has no power when key at lock, acc and on but has power when at start position.

Does anyone know of a wire that will suit??

Or a forum for toyota's like the Patrol 4x4 site?

Thanks
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Reply By: qubert - Saturday, Jun 28, 2008 at 11:10

Saturday, Jun 28, 2008 at 11:10
the small 'signal' wire that goes to your starter solenoid.
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Saturday, Jun 28, 2008 at 18:49

Saturday, Jun 28, 2008 at 18:49
Thanks qubert. Also found that the radio wire meets the needs. What I don't get is that to turn the radio off when starting the engine they apply power to both sides of the radio. So rather than cut the power to the radio they apply power to the wire that would normally be the earth. I understand how they do it (also used for lights on alert) but not why they do it this way.

Any ideas?
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Reply By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Saturday, Jun 28, 2008 at 16:21

Saturday, Jun 28, 2008 at 16:21
Why?
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Saturday, Jun 28, 2008 at 18:50

Saturday, Jun 28, 2008 at 18:50
To disconnect the aux bats from the cranking battery when the starter is hit.
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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Saturday, Jun 28, 2008 at 22:41

Saturday, Jun 28, 2008 at 22:41
Sorry you have lost me, why don't you want to disconnect the aux battery when starting?
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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Saturday, Jun 28, 2008 at 22:42

Saturday, Jun 28, 2008 at 22:42
Opps!! should of read .....why don you want to disconnect the aux battery when starting?
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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Saturday, Jun 28, 2008 at 22:43

Saturday, Jun 28, 2008 at 22:43
Try again.....why do you want to disconnect the aux battery when starting?
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 11:11

Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 11:11
The mates aux batteries are those in a camper. Wire size to allow low (ish) resistance for charging would be around 6-8 B&S over this run- front to rear of vehicle. Wire size to allow current draw necessary for starting an engine would be substantially larger than this.

Most people don't need the aux batteries (in this situation) to be used for cranking. Most probably wouldn't even use the aux battery under a bonnet for a cranking battery. In these cases you can get away with much smaller wire size. It's a lot less complicated and far cheaper to disable the aux battery from the cranking circuit.

He already has a high current relay and wanted to use this rather than purchase another smart solenoid. Hence the need to find a suitable switching wire.
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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 17:02

Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 17:02
The power will come from th start battery in the front, even if it is a bit low it will make no difference.

I think you are adding stuff that is not needed.

You will need to use an 80 amp relay to do what you are trying to do.

Spend $80.00 and buy a Redarc Smart Solenoid.

Do it right the first time.
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Monday, Jun 30, 2008 at 09:07

Monday, Jun 30, 2008 at 09:07
A Redarc solenoid would be easier but they aren't $80, if you can get them for a total cost of $80 you're doing well. However as per my post he already has the relay. Not sure what you're saying, initally you say I'm adding stuff that's not needed, then you say I need a 80 relay (he has one) or a redarc.

The power won't come only from the start battery unless you "make it so". If the start battery is low, the aux batteries are full (ish) and the wire can't handle the current draw you can potentially cause problems. That's to the wire and altenator.

Thanks all the same.
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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Monday, Jun 30, 2008 at 18:48

Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Jun 28, 2008 at 21:17

Saturday, Jun 28, 2008 at 21:17
Wiper Motor has fused IGN power and is easily accessed.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Jun 28, 2008 at 21:20

Saturday, Jun 28, 2008 at 21:20
But I have to admit to not understanding what you're wanting to do!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Jun 28, 2008 at 21:26

Saturday, Jun 28, 2008 at 21:26
Sorry Austravel, disregard my suggestion - had a few wires in my brain crossed :-)))
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 11:11

Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 11:11
Phil please see my reasoning above.

Thanks for the tips.
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