Transferring the ownership of 13 national parks in Central Australia

Submitted: Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 13:09
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Gday,
What do you think about handing over our National Parks?

The Country Liberal Party’s Nigel Scullion capitulated in the Senate this week to forces committed to transferring the ownership of 13 national parks in Central Australia, including the iconic West MacDonnells, to Aboriginal interests.

The policy was initiated by former NT Chief Minister Clare Martin, and has been resolutely rejected – amongst others – by the Country Liberal Party (CLP), the Alice Springs Town Council, seven out of eight mayoral candidates in the recent council elections, including new Mayor Damien Ryan, and 75% of people answering an Alice Springs News poll on the question (among other issues): 254 of 336 people surveyed agreed with the proposition “leave all national parks in public ownership but set up an Aboriginal park management advisory body”.


NOW....

The Aboriginal ownership of Ayers Rock and the lease-back to a parks service of the national park has been touted as a shining example of the benefits of such an arrangement.
This was until the Intervention, and other events, have put the spotlight on the tragic dysfunctionality of the Mutitjulu Community at the base of The Rock, racked by violence, substance abuse and unemployment.
Tourism icon Uluru is a major component of that industry in The Centre that’s not engaged in the pervasive welfare economy.
Yet increasingly The Rock is becoming a pawn in black power politics.
Alice Springs based activist Vince Forrester appeared on SBS World News on Saturday, introduced as “an elder from the Mutitjulu community”.
This is what he had to say about the Intervention, claiming some labeled it as “invasion or ethnic cleansing”: “If they don’t get rid of this racist legislation by September we’re going to take our fight to the rest of the world.
“We’re going to throw a big rock on top of you.
“We’re going to close that climb ... no more climbing Uluru.”
Meanwhile, changes to management of Rainbow Valley and those planned for Devil’s Marbles reserves are instructive examples of the direction in which joint management of parks and reserves is heading.
At Rainbow Valley visitor access will be restricted to around one tenth of the reserve area.
Signs will advise visitors to not access culturally sensitive places such as the claypan.
Conditional access to other parts of the reserve may be granted under Parks and Wildlife Conservation by-laws.
Permit conditions will be set by the joint management partners, though the plan says no fee is payable.
Public gatherings on the reserve will be subject to permits.
At Devil’s Marbles it is proposed to restrict visitor access to roughly one quarter of the reserve, immediately to the east of the Stuart Highway.
Access will be restricted (by permit only or in connection with approved concession) to the Conservation Zone, roughly a half of the area.
And only male employees of the Parks and Wildlife Service will be able to enter the Special Protection Zone for approved management purposes.
The zone occupies about a quarter of the total area, the far eastern section, and also a small area within the Visitor Zone.

Id be interested to hear you thoughts....

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Hairy
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Reply By: The Geriatric Gypsies - Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 13:36

Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 13:36
hairy
i am not able to give an honest answer as i mwill get in deep doo doos on here
steve
ps it sounds like a crock of sh** to me politcal correctness gone overboard
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Reply By: Member - Footloose - Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 13:39

Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 13:39
I rekkon one of those baked beans cans should be firmly attached to the ear of the appropriate minister.
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Reply By: Willem - Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 13:39

Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 13:39
Yeah well I suppose I could say a thing or two BUT YES BUT NO BUT YES BUT etc....LOL

We will all get over it. One day when Handouts stop then it will all revert back to capitalism and the realisation that there is no such thing as a free lunch.

In the mean time I am glad I have walked thoses places via most of the tracks up and around, in and out, in the good times.

Meanwhile media frenzy continues to subvert the minds of the hoi polloi.....hahahahahaha


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Follow Up By: Rock Ape - Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 17:08

Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 17:08
I second that, you are spot on in my books.

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Reply By: Richard_ - Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 13:51

Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 13:51
Makes me wonder if the local Traditional Aboriginals actually make these decisions or is it made for them by angry old men like Vince Forrester?

Or are those decision made partially because there are those amongst us that don't give a rats arse about the environment nor respect Aboriginal culture.

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Richard
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 14:28

Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 14:28
As long as those that pay virtually every cent of the running costs of these parks have continued unfettered access, I'm happy - hell - that access will still involve paying entry and camping fees too - have I made myself clear ?
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Reply By: Member - Kim M (VIC) - Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 16:24

Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 16:24
Gidday Hairy

Bloody load of codswallop!!!!

Let me also add this little jem. There's some Federal shirla talking about introducing a permit system for smokers.

The way it's going, you'll have to fill out a bloody form to have a bog soon.

Regards

Kim

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 17:18

Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 17:18
They already have a form Kim

Form B19-035-6J

Permission to defecate
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Follow Up By: Member - Footloose - Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 18:36

Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 18:36
A permit to pollute the atmosphere I guess. But if you have trees on your property will that be part of an emission trading scheme? How much methane can one emit per tree ?
Crikey, those tree huggers might be onto something ! (I tried hugging a tree once and got bitten by ants...they don't like hugs...at all !!!)
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Follow Up By: Richard_ - Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 18:42

Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 18:42
Damn you Bonz, I went searching for that form in Google!! :-]

Richard
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 19:04

Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 19:04
Richard, you can find it on www.bungle.com.au
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 17:19

Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 17:19
Hairy I too was discusted when I heard that threat from an angry man. It is a disgrace that this icon is able to be used as a threat.
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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 18:27

Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 18:27
National Park...
I thought National meant for the whole Nation?

Maybe Animal Farm has arrived.

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Reply By: Vivid Adventures - Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 21:08

Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 21:08
Well if it means that they pay more attention to the management of parks and the funding of visitor facilities and interpretation, then it may be a good thing.

The Rainbow Valley joint management plan recently created is great example in my view, of a park management plan - and in practice doesn't stop people doing what they want to do, by and large.

But... and this is the big but, can the government get some funding into Parks and park management?
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Reply By: lindsay - Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 22:26

Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 at 22:26
Who mentioned about interpretation centres. I sat in the shade of the rock at maggie springs last year and listened to the leaders of 3 tourist groups sprouk about the springs. I heard 3 different stories being told to the 3 different groups. Some of which were beyond belief, yet the international tourists swallowed the whole lot. Let them have it if they close the climb no one will go there. I followed a vehicle through the Gregory Nat park last year, there was a fresh VB can every couple of Ks, still see the wet area beside the can where it landed.Came across the vehicle ahead, guess who was in it, looking after their culture. Go and have a look at the mess around the causeway at Roper Bar and see how some of these treat the areas.
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Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Monday, Jun 30, 2008 at 07:26

Monday, Jun 30, 2008 at 07:26
Haa....Conflicting stories

I was in the company of a major rock art researcher many years ago - in the Kimberleys. "Bradshaw" paintings were at that time, denounced and ridiculed as "rubbish art" by local indigemous leaders and the like.

Funny how that attitude changed when it was found that the art, due to its age, could further the cause of land claims if it was "aboriginal"
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Follow Up By: Member - Warfer (VIC) - Monday, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:37

Monday, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:37
*there was a fresh VB can every couple of Ks, still see the wet area beside the can where it landed.Came across the vehicle ahead, guess who was in it, looking after their culture.*

Ive been through a couple of forest's in my area lately and your description sound's familiar but guess what,Not a black fella to be seen anywhere...


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Follow Up By: Ken - Monday, Jun 30, 2008 at 20:36

Monday, Jun 30, 2008 at 20:36
Maybe Warfer but the difference, and it is an important one, is that those responsible for your experience are not trying to claim special ownership, sacred values, spiritual connection or excluding other racial groups.
No its not right to toss rubbish anywhere but like many others I find it strange that this land, claimed to be so valued that the majority of the population cannot be trusted to enter it, is treated so badly by those given special privileges. Until these sorts of inconsistencies are recognised and the collective guilt complex towards aboriginals is directed in more effective ways, it will remain hard for many to accept the unique position they have in land ownership and control.
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